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In <4mtgig$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Warren Vosper) writes:

>: : : has a full speed 64 bit bus (PCI is 32 bit) or a true 64 bit OS (fewer clock
>: : : cycles) or 64 bit memory. Not that all SGI software takes advantage of all
>: : : that, but most of the 3D software does, and you really notice the difference
>: : : when interacting with large scenes.
>
>: :   DEC's unix OS has been 64 bit since the alpha was introduced.
>
>: DEC's unix OS isn't Windows NT, is it?
>
>  no, and SGI's unix isn't NT either is it?  but it
>is 64 bit.  you didn't specify you were talking about NT in
>the above quote were you?
>
I think it was just to say that SGI's unix is 64-bit and NT is only 32-bit (in fact
some of it's still 16-bit) so the SGI would be fully taken advantage of.

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Golchert)
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Subject: Re: Photorealism
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Juancarlos Camargo ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have to agree that photorealism isn't an absolute
: requirement for something to be art.  It does take great
: skill (especially in traditional media) and is to be admired
: if done well.  In CGI, photorealism can be desirable, but
: its not always very creative and isn't a must.

: To use a popular example...

: A great deal of the animation in The Mind's Eye series is
: not anywhere near photorealistic, yet it is enjoyed by a
: wide audience and is generally considered a good example of
: computer art.

: What about people like Dali, or even Magritte, who took
: photorealistic images arranged them in impossible
: relationships.

: Of course, photorealism seems to attract clients.

: JC

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: Bill Gates -Was "MAX or LightWave? How about some MAX here"
Date: 15 May 1996 16:32:31 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Bryant Reif <[e-mail]> writes:
>M$ is pretty damn close to having a monopoly on the OS market.  OS2 will die soon, Linux
>is for hobbiests, so MS Windows is all that is left.  They didn't let Ma Bell own all the
>telephone lines, how long before they realize that M$ owns all the PC operating systems?
>--

Sorry but I know for a fact OS/2 will not be dying for a long time yet... they've
been saying that for years - and where has that led - to a new version with
Voice navigation, and dictation built into the OS itself... talk don't type...

Win95 interface??? good??? hmmm...  very interesting. I found the interface to be
very inconsistent and not very customizable - but it does LOOK cool, which I spose
is what people buy these days... "doesn't matter how bad the underlying system
really is, they said it was good, and it looks cool!"

Interesting how OS/2 can pre-emptively multitask, multi-thread, etc etc, without
having to upgrade all your apps first...

I spose Windows users enjoy upgrading all their apps everytime MS brings out a
new version...

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Date: 16 May 1996 14:24:28 +0200
From: [e-mail]
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Hello Folks,

iïm running here a 133 MHZ ASUS Pentium, 48 MB Ram, Adaptec SCSI
Fast AV-Master, Diamond 3240 2 MB VRAM under Windows 95.

There are a lot of Problems with Lightwave 4.0 when I render in Animation
Files.Normaly I can render 1 or 2 Frames and then came a requester and
shutdown Lightwave.
Sorry for my bad English. The requestere telling me different reasons for
shutdown Lightwave like Wrong Page in Lightwave EXE or Memory hurt (sorry
for that,in German > Speicherverletzung) and so on.

Then i render single Frames it goes much better.

Some People tell me I shall install NT.Okay but the Problem is that the
Fast AV-Master (I use it for Animationplayback) only runs under 95.

Another Problem is the Previews in Layout working only with 0%
Hardwareacceleration on my Graphikcard.


Well friends is it better under NT (NT Workstaion enough or Server),please
tell me.

And how can I boot NT and 95 like I want?

I hope you can understand what Iïm writing here.

Thanks and see you

Dietmar

Greetings from a PC and AMIGA (MAC EMU on AMIGA too)  USER

Ask me witch is better



--- CrossPoint v3.1

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: Bill Gates -Was "MAX or LightWave? How about some MAX here"
Date: 15 May 1996 16:58:47 GMT
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In <4n5b0m$[e-mail]>, Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> writes:
>And while you can lament M$, the were the very first company to promote
>an operating system not tied to a particular company's hardware. You can
>buy an infinitude of computer brands that run the M$ OS. OS/2 was an
>attempted monopoly, designed to run *only* on IBM machines originally to
>give that company a competitive advantage over the clones, it just didn't
>work that way in the marketplace.

Funny... MS started OS/2... an early NT beta looked an aweful lot like a very early
OS/2 2.0 beta... strange how OS/2 is as powerful as NT but yet it's faster and uses
less memory... eg. Lotus Notes Server needs 16MB more Memory if you want to
run it on NT - and the server doesn't run on 95 cause it needs a
real OS, not a file system with a pretty GUI.

>So? Just how many PCs do you think will ever run something other than an
>M$ OS? I know I won't, and I'm more savvy than most computer owners. Most
>people would scream bloody murder if they had 60 megs of their hard disc
>taken up by a useless OS like OS/2, which holds zero advantage over Win95
>unless the software you run is OS/2 native.

Why did the Commonwealth bank, after spending over $100M on NT, dump it?
and fire the guy who suggested to use NT. Sorry but if you use ATM's you're
pretty much guaranteed to be using OS/2, why not NT?
And to the OS/2 native bit - OS/2 runs more of my Windows and DOS apps than
Windows 95 does - and in many cases better. Zero Advantage??? you get zero
advantage from Windows 95 if you don't upgrade to all Windows 95 native apps -
cause if you have one bit of 16-bit code running you lose any of the advantages
95 has over 3.1.

>they were successful. I don't find the M$ OS to be too expensive, and I
>used to pay more for upgrades on my Amiga by far than I did when I first

and you'll be forced to keep upgrading your software for many years to come,
whether you need any new features or not - simply because the next version
of windows won't be compatible as usual.

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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[e-mail] wrote:
: True, but I guarantee if MS sold PCs it would be a different story - they're
: monopolistic in everything they sell - that's why all their apps are
: only available
: on their Operating System - They don't make PC's (thankfully).

What about SoftImage for SGI and Word for Mac?

--
Andrew Reid
[e-mail]
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/a_reid/

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Subject: Re: NT to Mac ?
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Zombie wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin) wrote:
> >-----------
> >This is true, except that you still need a hub for some reason to make things
> >talk. At least at the time when I was getting mine set up. I have heard a
> >rumor that NT has since changed the Services for Macintosh (SFM) to work
> >better and won't need the hub anymore, but I'd believe it when I see it or
> >hear of someone that is using the new patch how it works.
> >-----
>
> At my workplace we've got an NT Server 3.51machine with two ethernet cards, one's
> connected to the Mac 10Base2 network, the other is connected to the Windows95 10Base2
> Network. The can both access  volumes that exist on the server, without a hub. But this
> does mean that transferring between a Mac and PC is a two-step process. They cannot access
> each other's local volumes ie: A Mac can't 'see' a HD that is on one of the Windows95 HD's
> and vice versa (this would probably be possible if TCP/IP protocol was set up on the
> network, using FTP). Is this why you need a hub with your NT network?
>
> Pete
--------------

No, but I heard if I use NTserver, it will cripple my graphics creation
performance because memory is optimized for file sharing/network tasks.
My other queston is for a simple ONE Mac to ONE WindowsNT workstation- do
I need a hub for a simple connection as this?  I am considering using
Softwindows on the MAc for file transfer/sharing.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: FireWorks Anyone?
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:51:20 GMT
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[e-mail] (Xtremes05) wrote:

I attempted to answer you via email but It was returned. How about
posting a working email address. I have a 5 sec. fireworks anim if you
are interested in trading email me back with a working address.
                                                         John
>Don't know if anyone can help me with this but here I go... Im trying to
>create a scene in LightWave 3D of FireWorks like the one in the DAC Demo
>Reel (Digital Animation Corporation). I try almost everything but can't
>seem to get it to look REAL like the one in the demo reel. The one scene
>that came with LW doesn't look as good as in the demo. I have Sparks too
>if anyone can help me with this would be Great! Thanks in advance.



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From: Angelito So <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Power_Texture
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:05:51 -0400
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I guess you didn't read the readme file on the CD. It says Power Texture does
NOT work with win 95 because of a bug in the implementation of W95 OpenGL. Oh
well.... I know i was really upset about this too. :^(


[e-mail] wrote:
> I can't even load *.BMP files!  Every time I try, Windows95 crashs Modeler.  I get an error saying that it
> can't load the DIB file, whatever.  I've tried every kind of method of saving BMP files; 24bit, colormapped,
> compressed, non-compressed, etc.  ,used PhotoShop, Windows paint program, image-alchemy.  I give up!  Maybe
> its the powerful Windows95 thats the problem, wouldn't be surprised.  I watched Fori (newtek programmer god)
> work with it fine at NAB.  I bet he was running on NT.  I know I should switch, but I just got 95 working,
> besides, NT has an upgrade far in-the-works (don't know the release date yet).  Anyone have any ideas?

--
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E-Mail: [e-mail]                   http://www.panix.com/~lito

              "Thats a feature, not a bug!"

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 02:30:18 -0700
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In article <4n8b9k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
> All Software has it's limits. Even ILM and Pixar, with access to the best
> modeling software around, Alias, use clay models for most of their movies.
> Casper, Toy Story, B5, and many more used DIGITIZED models.

Could you site your source for this info? Thanks...

Joe

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Morphing Problem in Relation to Modeler
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:30:42 GMT
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[e-mail] (Kurt Harmel) wrote:

>I've noticed that if I miror an object in modeler and then
>attempt to morph both of them onto another object, the mirrored
>one distorts in layout. Does anyone know why this is so? Is there a trick that
>I'm missing, or do I have to abandon the mirroring tool if I wish to
>morph objects.

>Thanks; I'm using 4.0

This problem will be addressed immediately.
In the meantime, you can save the original, load it back in to another
layer and then position that second one to a "mirrored" position.




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From: [e-mail] (The Glory Boys)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave Anim Question Please Help!!!!
Date: 16 May 1996 15:33:40 GMT
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In article <4n99um$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Does anyone have, or know where I can get a utility for LW4.0 for the
>PC that will let me save my wireframe previews as a "anim" file and
>what utility I would use to play it back to tape rather than rendering
>out a complete anim only to find I needed to make correction for the
>client. A answer would be greatly appreciated.
>
>                             Thanks,
>                                         John
>

Hopefully someone will answer your question better than this, but here’s what I’ve
done before. Go to your Surfaces menu and hit Outline Only for all your surfaces,
turn off blur, field rendering, etc. and let er rip just as you would a regular
animation. Not as fast as a wireframe preveiw, but still just seconds a frame.

Once,  in a very tight squeeze, I actually wired the Preview out from my toaster
directly into a VCR. Then played the preview. I waited 10 seconds after each
playing so that the client wouldn’t be overwhelmed by the constant repeat, so
they saw the wireframe, the interface, mouse movement and all. The client
actually kind of dug it.

Necessity is the mother of invention.
Good luck.

Scott at GBI


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 03:01:33 -0700
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In article <4nbv9g$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](William Teegarden) wrote:

> >I'll get another up with images I've done in Alias Power Anmator as
> soon
> >as I can. What do you bet Lightwave's don't come close?
> >
> >Member, we're not talking just about rendering anymore - YOU said
> output -
> >not rendering quality.
> >
>
>
> So are we talking modeling as well then here?  I'll bet I can model
> ANYTHING you can make in Alias using LW, in the same or less amount of
> time.

Another easy bet to win....

> As far as output goes, are you suggesting that animation is now part of
> the equation?  Or possibly composition, compositing, etc?

Why not? I can use incredibly realistic particle systems that are
infinately variable to produce lava, tentacles, hair, bubbles, rocket
thrusts, flames, smoke, steam, etc, etc; turn on forces (wind, drag,
magnatism, etc) from lights, emit particles from lights, adjust the
friction of a shader so that it behaves differently when animated with
collision detection, put clouds and water in the environment shaders and
animate their motion, color, density; Use shaders on lights, paint
displacemnet maps on the geometry, distort the geometry with
photoshop-like tools then composit the whole thing with sound synched
audio, add special effects and input 64 channel sound from our
synthesizers, drum machines, etc. Then apply warp fields to make material
flap in the wind or deform in dozens of different ways as it passes
through space. Then I can add turbulance to the air/water to produce
random displacement of particles, etc. I can gather clusters of CV's (edit
points or vertices) attatch them to lines that then deform the geometry
like a puppeteer might.

Just watch Batman, The Mask, Twister, True Lies, etc, etc and ask your
self whether Lightwave can do it as well - given ANY level of experience.

From what I've seen of Lightwave, I like it - its far superiour to 3D
Studio for example. I'm planning on purchasing it as soon as it becomes
available for the Power Mac - But I'll never be silly enough to claim I
can do in LightWave what I can do in Alias Power Animator - let alone Maya
- due out this fall.


> Also, for some reason, when I try and access your page, it crashes my
> net browser?  Is this a problem with the page, or am I just using
> terrible software?  Anyone else have this problem?

I've accessed it repeatedly from home and from school via some pretty lame
Windoze machines with no problem. Let me know if you continue to have
problems. Their are no Java scripts, etc on the page.

The address again is:  http://www.netzone.com/~jmonahan/sketch.html

Your contributions are welcome......This whole web page could turn into a
useful info/demo site rather then the petty bickering thing it is now.

Joe Monahan
>
> GT

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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
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Subject: Re: Do not send your pictures to Joe Monahan!
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> I have asked him numerous times which school
>he teaches at and he has yet to tell me,

Best that I can tell, Joe "teaches" for the CAD Institute, an
Arizona Trade School which claims to be a large Autodesk
training facility.

But I'll second not bothering with him.  He's an irrational crank
who is just trying to play by his own rules, and then claim
victory.
--Brian
========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
== Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
=============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============

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From: Dan Ablan <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MetaBalls and LW 5.0
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Henri Smulders wrote:
=
>         BTW: docs on metaballs suck: less than a page in the reference
> manual without illustration. (I switched from Imagine to LW because of
> crap like that. LW always had good docs and now with one of the major
> releases they are majorly slacking!). So if anyone has already played
> with it let us know some tips! (F.ex.: can you animate the blobs?)=

    Just a note, they are note MetaBlobs... they are
    MetaBalls.
    MetaNURBS is a fantastic modeling tool as well.
                _____________________

    Dan Ablan
    AGA Digital Studios
    Chicago
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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
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Um, since you can go to Display>Options>Preview Type>Open GL Smooth
Shaded, which is now built into modeler, there's really no need to get
Powerview working at all.

And the built-in OpenGL is more advanced than the plug-in, which was
really designed to give us something in the mean time, and something to
look forward to in the future.
--Brian
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From: Lance Gray <[e-mail]>
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I've had my Amiga4000 040 25Mhz  for about 3 years now....and I'm
considering the Warp Engine '060.  Is there anything better out there or
is this a good choice for an accelerator for the Amiga.  What the
current price?!?

I have a Pentium where I do ALL of my animations, since the Amiga with
4.1 software is UNBELIEVABLY SLOW at rendering....but I'm also using a
lot of software like ImageFX & the new Composite Studio Pro (received it
yesterday!!!) that I know would be a lot speedier with this card!

I know little about this card other than it's faster than my current
situation...does it take the place of the motherboard?  Most
importantly, does it work NICELY with FLYER?!?

Any info...please post or "E" me!

Much thanks!
--
________________________________________________________________________
Lance Gray ([e-mail]) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped**

 "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed,
  for the spirit of GOD rests on you."  1 Peter 14
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From: TL Westgate <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Editing Card Suggestions
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:34:38 -0400
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A friend of mine is looking for a good quality capture/editing card for
under $1000. Any suggestions? He just wants to capture, reassemble, and
maybe add some text or graphics, then output back to tape. He didn't
specify resolutions, so does anyone have any ideas?

TIA,
TL

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On 5/16/96 3:01AM, in message
<[e-mail]>, Joe Monahan
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> In article <4nbv9g$[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail](William Teegarden) wrote:
>
> > >I'll get another up with images I've done in Alias Power Anmator as
> > soon
> > >as I can. What do you bet Lightwave's don't come close?
> > >
> > >Member, we're not talking just about rendering anymore - YOU said
> > output -
> > >not rendering quality.
> > >
> >
> >
> > So are we talking modeling as well then here?  I'll bet I can model
> > ANYTHING you can make in Alias using LW, in the same or less amount of
> > time.
>
> Another easy bet to win....
>
> > As far as output goes, are you suggesting that animation is now part of
> > the equation?  Or possibly composition, compositing, etc?
>
> Why not? I can use incredibly realistic particle systems that are
> infinately variable to produce lava, tentacles, hair, bubbles, rocket
> thrusts, flames, smoke, steam, etc, etc; turn on forces (wind, drag,
> magnatism, etc) from lights, emit particles from lights, adjust the
> friction of a shader so that it behaves differently when animated with
> collision detection, put clouds and water in the environment shaders and
> animate their motion, color, density; Use shaders on lights, paint
> displacemnet maps on the geometry, distort the geometry with
> photoshop-like tools then composit the whole thing with sound synched
> audio, add special effects and input 64 channel sound from our
> synthesizers, drum machines, etc. Then apply warp fields to make material
> flap in the wind or deform in dozens of different ways as it passes
> through space. Then I can add turbulance to the air/water to produce
> random displacement of particles, etc. I can gather clusters of CV's (edit
> points or vertices) attatch them to lines that then deform the geometry
> like a puppeteer might.
>
> Just watch Batman, The Mask, Twister, True Lies, etc, etc and ask your
> self whether Lightwave can do it as well - given ANY level of experience.
>
> From what I've seen of Lightwave, I like it - its far superiour to 3D
> Studio for example. I'm planning on purchasing it as soon as it becomes
> available for the Power Mac - But I'll never be silly enough to claim I
> can do in LightWave what I can do in Alias Power Animator - let alone Maya
> - due out this fall.
>
>
> > Also, for some reason, when I try and access your page, it crashes my
> > net browser?  Is this a problem with the page, or am I just using
> > terrible software?  Anyone else have this problem?
>
> I've accessed it repeatedly from home and from school via some pretty lame
> Windoze machines with no problem. Let me know if you continue to have
> problems. Their are no Java scripts, etc on the page.
>
> The address again is:  http://www.netzone.com/~jmonahan/sketch.html
>
> Your contributions are welcome......This whole web page could turn into a
> useful info/demo site rather then the petty bickering thing it is now.
>
> Joe Monahan
> >
> > GT


You're on!  You've seen our work (the pros in general here) on seaQuest, Star
Trek:Voyager, Space:Above and Beyond, Babylon 5, Sliders, etc.  Let's see some
of your amazing animation--especially that way cool particle stuff, in
particular (ha ha) lava, smoke and most especially, hair.  I'm so sure Alias
Sketch has an amazing hair shader--not.  Come on, lets see you actually DO some
of the stuff the box claims it can do.  From what I've seen so far of your
stuff, it's precisely the type of work that we'll look at and say "well, it
looks like he's gotten the hang of those tutorials (barely)."

You talk really big about your capabilities and those of Alias Sketch, but YOU
ARE THE NO SHOW.  I haven't seen ANYTHING you've done that shows off the stuff
you claim it can do, whereas the stuff we claim Lightwave can do is on your
silly little TV almost EVERY SINGLE NIGHT!  I challenge you to do broadcast
quality--network quality--work.  I won't even challenge you to film quality
because I don't want to choke your Molasses (or do they still call them
Apples?).
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From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Polygon reduction plug-in
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:13:14 -0400
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Bill Hrgtn wrote:
>
> Did I remember seeing someone mention that 5.0 has a poly reduction
> plug-in???  I could really use that right now.  That alone would be worth
> the upgrade price.
>
> Anybody try it yet??  How does it work?
>
> Bill

It does have one, but in trying it, it doesn't seem to work as I
would expect.  Perhaps I'm expecting too much of it, but you may
get better mileage by selecting and merging polys by hand.

-- Prem
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Baker)
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Subject: Re: Crosstalk on Flyer?!?
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 13:00:59
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On Tue 14-May-1996 13:01 , Bob Bennett wrote:
BB> In <4n7cvv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
BB> >
BB> >Hi Guys,
BB> >
BB> >Being a bit of a video engineer and a toaster owner, I have not seen
BB> >this in my own suite, I have seen it at other suites though and
BB> >noticed one thing. If I disconnected everything and looked at only
BB> >program to a monitor that was ground lifted, the problem was gone ?!?
BB> >Yes, connecting the rest of the studio returned the bug and I'm not
BB> >sure that any one piece of gear did it. My guess is that its a ground
BB> >loop of sorts that exagerrates the crosstalk. Obviously this doesn't
BB> >exist in every installation or Newtek would be unabombed....
BB> >Therefore either the Toasters are slightly out of spec or a mash of
BB> >cables and some interconnecting grounds are at fault. PLUS some
BB> >panasonic monitors exhibit sync crosstalk at their A/B switches.
BB> >Look closely at your facility.
BB> >
BB> >Also Prevue technologies has a few text articles examining ground
BB> >differentials in the  DV buffers.
BB> >
BB> >Good Luck!
BB> >
BB> >John Donlevie
BB> >Road-Ease, Inc.
BB> >Drexel Hill, PA
BB> >[e-mail]


BB> Now this makes sense.  It seems like the instructions in the very first
BB> Video Toaster manual I got had instructions to GROUND the Video Toaster
BB> computer and REMOVE THE GROUND for every other component attached to
BB> the system.

BB> I thought it was strange advice.  Personally, I didn't follow it (I'm
BB> not gonna put all the other equipment at risk) and haven't had any
BB> problems along that line.

BB> Does this mean that NewTek knew about this problem, and simply advised
BB> pulling the grounds to cover themselves when the problem shows up???

Yes, and emphatically no.  Yes, we know about ground loops and the effects
that they can induce in electronic equipment.   No, advising users how to deal
with ground loops is not "covering" ourselves, since ground loops are a fact
of life for any electronic equipment, particularly noticable in video and
audio applications; this is a fact of physics, not an error in our
engineering.

By its very nature, setting up any video system creates ground loops.  Take
the example of a very simple Toaster setup:  The computer housing a Toaster, a
destination deck, and one monitor for each, one grounded power strip.  In
examining just the computer and the deck, we have the following connections:


Computer (power supply) to power strip --> this connects the computer's
chassis ground into the house ground.

Deck to power strip --> this connects the deck's chassis ground into the house
ground.

Toaster to Deck via BNC video cable --> the shield line on the BNC connects
the chassis ground of the Computer to the chassis ground of the Deck, and a
ground loop is thus created, circuiting around the deck, the computer and the
power strip.

As you add more components, each component creates a loop each with every
other component connected to the power strip.

A ground loop will act as an antenna, picking up RF, and is susceptible also
to induced current from surrounding magnetic fields.  Again, this can amplify
symptoms such as crosstalk and introduce noise and interference patterns into
video equipment.  The way cabling is arranged in a suite can increase or
decrease the problems, and the condition of the cabling and other ground plane
problems may also have some effect.

In point of fact, when you set up a system with only one item plugged into the
ground, and the rest of the items plugged in using an adaptor which lifts the
ground on the power cord, you are not ungrounding the equipment at all.  In
both BNC and RCA cords (at least, the kind of RCA cords you should be using),
the shield ground interconnects the chassis grounds of equipment they link
together, thus all interconnected equipment is grounded, in series, through
the one piece of equipment that connects to house ground.  All you have really
done is eliminate ground loops, not grounding.

By eliminating all those "unintentional antennas", you should get cleaner
signals throughout your system.
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>
>In <[e-mail]> Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>> Darn close though. I would hate to see Twister or Batman or The
Mask
>done
>>> in anything less then Alias. Thats were the fun is.....

Actually, the fun is where you make it.  How much of this fun have you
actually had?  I don't recall seeing your name in any of the credits
for these shows.  Or are you too busy teaching internet classes to be
bothered by such trivial work?  You know what they say about those who
do it as opposed to those who teach it...

Why would you "hate" to see these films done in anything less than
Alias?

You wouldn't think it would be cool if this stuff could possibly be
done in a more affordable package?  Perhaps one that you could actually
afford to use at home?

Why are you so hung up on Alias?, and if you're such an Alias weenie,
why are you wasting all your valuble time here?  Surely you're up at
ILM working on Lost World, or The Mask II, or the new Star Wars
Trilogy.  Oh that's right, you're collecting posts to bring to your
Internet class.  What's your class called?

Perhaps "How look like an idiot on the net, by seasoned professional
Joe Monahan".

Or maybe, "Tips and tricks used to reveal your real lack of character
over the Internet"

Or, "Joe vs. the Internet, a case study"

As for your Alias Wretch page, the rage I went through watching your
page soil my screen was barely offset by the soul cleansing laughfest I
experienced as I clawed my way through your insulting images.

Thank God my co-workers where there to stop me from gouging my eyes
out!  I guess we can list lack of artistic ability and talent right
there next to Downs Syndrome.  The nerve of you!  And to think that I
wasted my valuble time looking at this slop when I could have been
doing something more constructive, like developing a truely lethal
crack habit...



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William Teegarden <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >
: >Sooner or later LW will get on the stick and get NURBS and
: construction
: >history. Until then, you can make some great models, but they'll cost
: ya.


: OK, I'll buy that.  I'm referring to the notion that LW'w modeler can't
: compete with alias as far as the construction of organic geometry goes.
: Sure, it can't infinitly subdivide a spline mesh at render time, but
: that really isn't what I was talking about.

Depends on the size of your image. Movie screen size you will see things
you just don't see on TV. Anyway, organic geometry wise, you certainly
can do equal or better stuff with LW pretty fast, as far as shape.

: Funny thing about NURBS is that modeler now supports it's own
: NURBS-esque technique, which seems to have that ability, but you still
: don't have in layout.  I'm sure that will change however, as there is
: no reason why it couldn't be done.

MetaNURBS is a cool tool, and it is a crying shame it isn't in Layout.
Maybe next release?


: GT



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Subject: Re: Problem with Windows 95
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hello Folks,
>
> iïm running here a 133 MHZ ASUS Pentium, 48 MB Ram, Adaptec SCSI
> Fast AV-Master, Diamond 3240 2 MB VRAM under Windows 95.
>
> There are a lot of Problems with Lightwave 4.0 when I render in Animation
> Files.Normaly I can render 1 or 2 Frames and then came a requester and
> shutdown Lightwave.
>
> Thanks and see you
>
> Dietmar
>
    Try setting the render display option to "none" in Record panel. There's
    a bug in saving files, especially if you're using shadow maps.


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On Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:54:22 GMT, [e-mail] ("Phil
South") wrote:

>Surely someone somehwere has made a PC program which reads Amiga disks.
>That would be so useful and let's face it HOW HARD COULD IT BE? You can
>read and write Mac disks with Transmac, a very useful shareware program,
>but can you do Amiga disks? If anyone has any ideas about this then let
>me know.
>
>I know that you can read PC disks in Amigas, I've been using Amigas since
>1986, but what I'm looking for is a way of reading a disk containing the
>full approx. 880k. If I have to copy, unpack, paste, fiddle then so be
>it. But I would like to avoid this mess.
>
>Don't talk to me about PC to Amiga null modem tricks either, because
>almost every one I've tried has been useless.
>
>---
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Phil South <[e-mail]>   "nuqDaq yuch Dapol"
>
>Home Page                     http://www.webscape.co.uk/phil/
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>-------------------------------------------------------------
If you can get the Amiga a network card and put one in your PC, My PC
one was only 29 bux. You can reliably  link the two with Win 95 and
Amiga shareware! I have PAR, Workbench and A Data: mounted as E: F:
and G: on my PC's explorer. Quick, almost painless, the hardest part
was making an IRQ available in the PC



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On Wed, 08 May 1996 14:06:33 -0500, Lance Gray <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>I'm getting crosstalk between signals....
>
>Such as, when I play a clip on the Flyer and it finishes...and then goes
>black---I can faintly see the other image buffer through the blackness!
>I know it's some kind of a termination problem...but it has just shown
>up.  I had this problem 2 years ago with the YC+ card going bad, and I
>pray that's not the reason again!
>
>I'm using an A4000 with Flyer software 4.1 w/a YC+
>
>I've also Autohued again & re-calibrated the Flyer to no avail?!?
>
>Any suggestions
>--
>________________________________________________________________________
>Lance Gray ([e-mail]) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped**
>
> "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed,
>  for the spirit of GOD rests on you."  1 Peter 14
>________________________________________________________________________
>_______________________________________________________________________If I disconnected everything and looked at only
>program to a monitor that was ground lifted, the problem was gone ?!?
>Yes, connecting the rest of the studio returned the bug and I'm not
>sure that any one piece of gear did it. My guess is that its a ground
>loop of sorts that exagerrates the crosstalk.
>________________________________________________________________
>
>Question:
>
>What exactly do you mean by "ground lifted"?  I've been able to get the
>problem somewhat solved however....
>
>A very strange thing happened.  If I avoid using the Y/C out of the YC+
>and go with the original composite out on the toaster...the Flyer goes
>crazy!  However, after several attempts I gave up & returned to viewing
>the main out through the YC+ and things seem better.
>
>Is a ground loop created by all the wires crossing over each other?
>
>thanks..Lance!
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Lance Gray ([e-mail]) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped**
>
> "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed,
>  for the spirit of GOD rests on you."  1 Peter 14
>________________________________________________________________________
>
Lance,

A couple phenomon happen in the electronic Jungle known as our edit
suites. One often over looked one is inductance. Like say when a cable
runs down behind a few monitors. This can be especially ugly in its
extreme case of that being an audio cord with video in it :( If you
look closely at a scope you can see it. If you look at your TV you'll
probably see it too. TV's (monitors) next to each other can also
create odd harmonics that end up being hum bars and the like. (look in
your blacks). Sometimes too this is just two different sync sources
like Toast Pgm and off-tape.

Ground lift means remove the grounding from the plug via and 3>2
grounding adapter. BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL WHEN EXPERIMENTING WITH THIS.
And old or device in misrepair may leek voltage and cause a shoc
hazzard. Good Gear should not pose a problem here. I once read a
Toaster service type tip that said that the Toaster wanted to be the
main ground for the system. As you may know, like audio if thing are
plugged into diffent outlets or phases ground loops may occur. In
audio its a nasty buzz or hum. Video is an unbalanced world ( as
opposed to balanced mics) so can be susceptible to loops, it beats
some problems by using 75ohm impedences. Many times floating the
ground on one piece of equipment may quiet a few things. My personal
experience is that experimentation finds the answer. Another thing is
good cables and connections.

Another thing is termination unterminated or double terminted things
can reak havoc on a system. Sometimes a deck can mask this with an
auto level control like the good ole 3/4" decks. But if video comes in
unterminated thus at twice the voltage it will defintely leak across
Toaster inputs. It may also be leaking across Newtek's chips in some
Toasters. As far as Flyers go, arent they really Toasters first? The
Flyer board is more af a Hard Drive controller and Flyer Software
links em together :) Only Amiga makes it posssible. :)
Anyway, check those set up panel termination buttons again! I'm amazed
how often I find one's been inadvertently flicked. It happens on
monitors and decks, too If you have a waveform/VS, your most likely to
spot termination eroors in the output path. As you probably know, only
the last thing in a chain gets terminated.

Well thats a lot, I thought I was posting to the Newsgroup.....
Oh well good luck Lance.
Did you look at only the program output to a good TV with eveything
else disconnected? restart Flyer/Amiga Toaster If it still fails, I
double chech the termination on the output chain thats left. Then its
inside. Check with Prevue technolgies they have some interesting TXT
articles about this kind of stuff.


Have a good one......



John Donlevie
Road-Ease, Inc.
Drexel Hill, PA
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> I think it was just to say that SGI's unix is 64-bit and NT is only 32-bit (in fact
> some of it's still 16-bit) so the SGI would be fully taken advantage of.

I think he was saying that DEC's Unix is also 64-bit. NT is fully 32-bit. I think
your thinking of Win95 which is both 16 and 32-bit.

Jeff
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 Ever notice how every decent news group quickly becomes a Windows vs.
whatever OS argument forum? Isn't this supposed to be the LIGHTWAVE
group?

regards,

Alan


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffery S. Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW is an Island
Date: 16 May 96 14:29:48 +0000
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On 15-May-96 18:28:03, Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>>|>
>>  Lee's right, I didn't see the work that went into making the Toaster
>>  a big deal. Instead I was working at an amiga dealer and saw people
>>  that did not even know the Toaster exsisted trip over themselves to
>>  buy one when they saw it in use in the store. Newteks great
>>  marketing back then seemed to miss a great many people. The people
>>  marketing the Toaster were in the right place at the right time to
>>  be sure.

>>  -bill

>I remember flipping by the shopping channel and seeing the guy who
>played the  young ensign (can't remember the actor's name or his
>character's name -  Wesley?) wearing a Toaster t-shirt and digressing
>from the topic on hand and  talking about the Video Toaster.  I know a
>lot of people who weren't "into"  video who knew about the Toaster and
>I saw it presented to the average Joe a  number of different times.

  Newtek spent the four years it took to make the Video Toaster making
sure that people knew of them, and of their plans -- and that video
production would never be the same.  Every video magazine, every Amiga
magazine, and probably, every computer magazine at that time had some
mention of the Toaster.  If you were into computers and video when it
came out, you had no chance to miss hearing of it.

  They tried to make sure that all dealers would have one to demo -- and
that is also marketing.  Amiga user groups got demos -- and some
received "demo" Toasters to keep (at discount, perhaps -- but they got a
shot at the first ones).

--

  But I dont' think that _any_ video production equipment is really
known for long outside of the video community.  I know of many people
who have no idea what a Video Toaster is  -- but they don't know of
Premiere, AVID, Videonics, etc., either.  The Video Toaster remains
advertised in VTU (selling to the converted), and a few video mags, and
in some of the surviving Amiga magazines.  Sure, it is hard to sell new
ones without a lot of new hardware around, and there is more competition
now than then.  But it cannot hurt to keep your history in the public
eye, while building for your future.

  OTOH, Lightwave is the real future for NewTek, unless they can get a
new Super-Toaster out, for any platform, something like Trinity, only
better, faster, and (most important from a NewTek'y style aspect)
cheaper.  I sure wouldn't miss pushing LW everywhere it has any
potential use.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Posters made from your computer art 24x36 $18+$5 shipping
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:05:42 -0400
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Up to 36" wide possible at $3sq.ft.

Print on all kinds of media.

Watercolor,papercanvas and real cloth Canvas check prices.

http://www.sungate.com/3dworld/index.html

--
Posters up to 36" wide however long possible.
24x36 $18  Upload your files at my webpage for fast service.
Photos put on T-shirts,mouse pads. send your files over the net
or by mail.
941-746-8076  http://www2.sungate.com/3dworld/index.html

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From: "Frank D. Cocke" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Sparks & LW 5.0
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Is anyone having trouble with Sparks with LW 5.0. I just got
LW 5.0 and I ordered sparks for an animation I am working on.
The sample scene files from Sparks load and it shows the plug-in
loaded but there are no values in the imput boxes.
  With the scene that I'm working on, when I save the scene then
reload it it's the same, no imput in the fields except for the
starting frame. The surface-shader plug-in seems to work fine.
  Also, when I reload the scene my camera, which is stationary,
is now in a different position.
  Metrografx doesn't seem to have a web site that I can find so
I'm going to give them a call. Will let the group know what I
find out.

Frank

--
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From: "Frank D. Cocke" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Morphing Problem in Relation to Modeler
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:27:27 -0500
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To: Kurt Harmel <[e-mail]>

Kurt Harmel wrote:
>
> I've noticed that if I miror an object in modeler and then
> attempt to morph both of them onto another object, the mirrored
> one distorts in layout. Does anyone know why this is so? Is there a trick that
> I'm missing, or do I have to abandon the mirroring tool if I wish to
> morph objects.
>
> Thanks; I'm using 4.0

  Kurt,

   Morph objects not only have to have the same point & polygon
number but they also must have the same point order. The mirror
funtion more than likely creates an object with a different
point order.

Frank
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From: "Frank D. Cocke" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: In defense of separate Modeler/Layout
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:32:26 -0500
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JBooth411 wrote:

>(snip)

. I like having the quad view, with layers for modeler - it would
> suck to have to model in layout..
>
> Jason Booth
> Second Nature, Inc.
>  "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
> RICH!!!!"

   I sure would like to have a window like layout where I could cruise
around a Meta-nurb object and interactily adjust the splines.
--
Frank D. Cocke
The Lightray Factory, 3D animation & Graphics
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> Take a shuftie at http://www.islandnet.com/~dretch/home.html
>
> It`s the url for `primordial soup` (a great LW web page).  Log in
> and have a look in the Lightwave 3d techniques search engine.  Pull
> down the page and you`ll find a good solution - i`ve used it myself
> and it worked excellently.  BTW - something not mentioned in the tip
> is that you need to center your link along the path, or i`tll skew,
> and use enough links to make a realistic tread.
>
> Cheers,
> --
>  Tel
>  [e-mail]

     That's "http://www.islandnet.com/~dretch/homepage.html" for the
main page and "http://www.islandnet.com/~dretch/lightwavetips.html" for
the search engine directly (keeps the frames nice and neat ;-)

     Christopher

Primordial Soup Animation "http://www.islandnet.com/~dretch/"
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffery S. Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,rec.video.desktop,rec.video.production
Subject: Re: '060 for Amiga4000
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On 16-May-96 11:14:39, Lance Gray <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've had my Amiga4000 040 25Mhz  for about 3 years now....and I'm
>considering the Warp Engine '060.  Is there anything better out there or
>is this a good choice for an accelerator for the Amiga.  What the
>current price?!?

  I have a Cyberstorm '060, cost about $1400 w/SCSI controller.  It works, and
works well.  I don't know, between this and the Warp Engine, which is better,
nor have I checked current pricing.  But I'm sure it hasn't gone up.

  The Cyberstorm is a CPU slot accelerator, replacing the existing 030 or 040
CPU card.  Installation is fairly easy, and you needn't remove any cards (such
as Toaster/Flyer) to make the installation.  Unless you need to do it to get the
SIMMs off the motherboard.

>I have a Pentium where I do ALL of my animations, since the Amiga with
>4.1 software is UNBELIEVABLY SLOW at rendering....but I'm also using a
>lot of software like ImageFX & the new Composite Studio Pro (received it
>yesterday!!!) that I know would be a lot speedier with this card!

>I know little about this card other than it's faster than my current
>situation...does it take the place of the motherboard?  Most
>importantly, does it work NICELY with FLYER?!?

  AFAIK, any '060 will work fine with the Toaster/Flyer.  I haven't had any
compatibility problems at all, not with the 3.1 or 4.1 Toaster software, and I
have not heard of any problems with the Flyer.

  Speed is roughly 4x that of an A4000 '040 25Mhz, for a 50MHz '060.  In theory,
it could be faster with better optimization of the software.  I also use other
software, including the Toaster CG, and find the extra speed to result in higher
productivity.

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 won't save AVI files on PC
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 16:37:26
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On Sun 12-May-1996 15:56 , Andy C wrote:
AC> Why is it doing this? I have got the tha HIIP-avi16 plug-in set up. I also

AC> tryed the AVI_256 plugin but that reports an error with one of the DLL
AC> files.

AC> HIIP-avi16 just does not create an AVI file even though it renders and
AC> seems
AC> to be saving to disk after each frame.

AC> Someone please help.

Which  OS are you using?  Here's the info for 95 (with a note or two on NT):

After you have installed Lightwave under Windows 95, you should

1)  Go to the Settings option on the Windows "Start" menu,

2)  Select the Control Panel,

3)  Select Add/Remove Programs,

4)  Select Windows Setup,

5)  Select and remove the Multimedia group.

6)  Exit and restart Windows.

7)  Repeat 1-4 and re-add the multimedia group.

8)  Exit and restart Windows again.

9)  Delete the file NewTek\Programs\LW.CFG.

10) Run LightWave, add all Plugins from the NewTek\Plugins\Layout directory,
including HIIPAVI16.P, HIIPAVI32.P, and NT_AVI.P.

11) Exit and restart LightWave.

After this, the plugins, including the HIIP AVI and NT_AVI savers, should be
available and working.

There is a bug in the MicroSoft AVI codecs such that you can appear to have
rendered a blank AVI.  If you load the file in MediaPlayer and scrub the AVI
you will find that, while blank sections may have been appended to the
beginning and the end of the AVI, the AVI has actually rendered
successfully.

Windows 95 users who wish to use the PowerView OpenGL plugin need to get the
Windows 95 OpenGL.DLL.  The file is available on Compuserve, Go GraphDev,
search by the filename OPENGL95.ZIP, or by "Windows 95".  The file may be
available at other locations on the Net as well.


When saving an AVI, you must type in a complete filename in the filename
requester, including the extension ".avi", or no file will be saved.

We do have a known bug in the handling of the scene file parameter for the
animation type, which is what you are experiencing in item 2.  The
workaround is to edit the scene file in a text editor.  Look for the line:

AnimationType 4

(the number will vary depending on what you selected for type) and either
remove the line or change the number to 0.

Another workaround is never to save the scene with an animation type
selected; always wait and selected that at render time.

The product team has reported that this is fixed in 5.0.
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Subject: Re: Lightwave file format
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On Wed 15-May-1996 15:23 , Stephen G Bennett wrote:
SB> Was wondering if anyone could help me. I'm trying to find the file
SB> format for a lightwave object. What I'm trying to do is convert
SB> some contours that I have digitized in a proprietary format into
SB> a lightwave object so I can (obviously) load it into lightwave.

SB> The contours are relatively simple, being a two-dimensional polygon
SB> in the XY axis of about 100-200 points. Any help would be really
SB> appreciated.

SB> If possible, could you mail  the results directly to my account.

SB> My e-mail address is:

SB> [e-mail]

SB> Thanks a lot.
SB> Steve Bennett


If you own Lightwave 4.0 or 5.0, you already have the LightWave object file
format as part of the content on your CD, in DOCS\Develop.  We also keep an
archive of the developer docs on our FTP site and our BBS.

.
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In article <[e-mail]>, 174, Michael, Drive, Syosset, NY,
11791 wrote:

>
> No, but I heard if I use NTserver, it will cripple my graphics creation
> performance because memory is optimized for file sharing/network tasks.
> My other queston is for a simple ONE Mac to ONE WindowsNT workstation- do
> I need a hub for a simple connection as this?  I am considering using
> Softwindows on the MAc for file transfer/sharing.

I can't speak from 1st hand knowledge on NTserver, but I do know that
additional code will have to be run to support various network protocols,
but it is a selective process. If you aren't using Novell's IPX protocol,
then don't load it. That is the easy part. You are probably right that
additional tweaking of the system would be necessary to optimize for
server versus workstation. Someone else will have to address that.

NTserver is suppose to include Appleshare support. I'd be interested
to know how good that support is? how much overhead (memory and cpu) is
required?  Is it worth going to NTserver as opposed to Samba or NFS?
I would think that using NTserver's Appleshare would be cheaper than NFS,
but does the performance overhead kill it?

If you aren't afraid of a few extra steps, FTP will get the job done.
I have one Amiga hooked to one Mac using thinwire ethernet (I could have
used twisted pair).  I use FTP to move the files back and forth.
NTworkstation should be able to do this too.

Thinwire(10base2) does not need a hub, and I doubt that twisted pair
(10baseT) does either for a two machine config.
Check with Black Box they have the hardware and tech support:412-746-5500

<<<<=======================================================================
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Lance Gray <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I've had my Amiga4000 040 25Mhz  for about 3 years now....and I'm
> considering the Warp Engine '060.  Is there anything better out there or
> is this a good choice for an accelerator for the Amiga.  What the

There is not much out there, and what there is is hard to obtain.  Seems
Motorola has not been producing many 060s.  That is allegedly to change
soon, but I've been hearing that for eons now.

There is supposedly a CyberStorm Mk II coming out "any month now" that
will be cheaper than most of the current offerings.  It was first
promised in January, so go figure.

> I have a Pentium where I do ALL of my animations, since the Amiga with
> 4.1 software is UNBELIEVABLY SLOW at rendering....but I'm also using a

What speed Pentium?  The 060 is not likely to be as fast as a P90 or
above, so you'll still be better off on the Pentium.  It may be in the
same range as the very slowest of Pentiums.  However, it should be 3-6X
faster than the 040/25, depending on the task, particularly as the
040/25 has a very slow memory subsystem.

> lot of software like ImageFX & the new Composite Studio Pro (received it
> yesterday!!!) that I know would be a lot speedier with this card!

Certainly.  I guess ImageFX will be lots nicer with an 060.

> situation...does it take the place of the motherboard?  Most

I suspect it takes the place of the CPU card, and the motherboard is
unchanged.  But I don't have one (yet).

> importantly, does it work NICELY with FLYER?!?

Can't answer there, sorry.  Don't see why not though, assuming the 040
works.

  - steve

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On Wed 15-May-1996  3:23p, Stephen G Bennett wrote:
SB> Was wondering if anyone could help me. I'm trying to find the file
SB> format for a lightwave object. What I'm trying to do is convert
SB> some contours that I have digitized in a proprietary format into
SB> a lightwave object so I can (obviously) load it into lightwave.

SB> The contours are relatively simple, being a two-dimensional polygon
SB> in the XY axis of about 100-200 points. Any help would be really
SB> appreciated.

SB> If possible, could you mail  the results directly to my account.

SB> My e-mail address is:

SB> [e-mail]

SB> Thanks a lot.
SB> Steve Bennett
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I also want to know how to do this? And can I use something like Free Hand or
some other similar package?........thanx.......md

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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Subject: Re: Sparks & LW 5.0
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In article <[e-mail]> "Frank D. Cocke" <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: "Frank D. Cocke" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Sparks & LW 5.0
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:20:19 -0500

>Is anyone having trouble with Sparks with LW 5.0. I just got
>LW 5.0 and I ordered sparks for an animation I am working on.
>The sample scene files from Sparks load and it shows the plug-in
>loaded but there are no values in the imput boxes.
>  With the scene that I'm working on, when I save the scene then
>reload it it's the same, no imput in the fields except for the
>starting frame. The surface-shader plug-in seems to work fine.
>  Also, when I reload the scene my camera, which is stationary,
>is now in a different position.
>  Metrografx doesn't seem to have a web site that I can find so
>I'm going to give them a call. Will let the group know what I
>find out.

>Frank

>--
>Frank D. Cocke
>The Lightray Factory, 3D animation & Graphics
>E-mail to [e-mail]
>HTTP://www2.netdoor.com/~frank


I got exactly the same thing today.  I was thinking that maybe reloading
sparks might do the trick.  I'm not sure if 5.0 moved around any files related
to Sparks.  I called tech support today, but it was busy.



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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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>I think that is where the arguments come in. Most talented people are too
>busy creating then to waste hours fighting a war based on opinion. To
>respond to an earlier post, 90% of alias users are pros and 90% of LW
>users are hobbyists. (my estimate - averaging the number of packages
>sold/artists using them and traffic on the respective newsgroups - which I
>read all of - time permitting)

>This is where the noise ratio comes in. On the Alias list only 10% will
>create/argue such a stupid point at this one, where here it appears the
>10% of LW users professionally are busy *working* leaving the other 90%
>free time to participate in endless debates such as these.

>(Not to say that the people contributing to this endless thread are
>hobbyists - just that most arguments like these are started by them) The
>world is not flat and there is not one best-at-everything 3D program.

>So in closing if anybody knows of anyone who is in need of professional
>talent using the best tool to get the job done - please send them our way.

>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Dann M. Stubbs  -  [e-mail]
>  Dark Sky Digital - Computer Animation + Digital Effects
>  Altamonte Springs, Florida  USA
>
>  www.darkskydigital.com
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

Monitor the LW maillist.  The noise ratio is significantly lower there.  So
low relatively, that I am seriously considering not monitoring this group
anymore.  It has become too expensive in time and I find myself getting sucked
into off-topic posting too often.



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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <4ne8of$[e-mail]> [e-mail] () writes:
>From: [e-mail] ()
>Subject: DPS PAR DR-2100 Vs DPS PVR-2500?
>Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 04:47:52 GMT

>I am interested in the differences between a DPS PAR DR-2100 and a DPS
>PVR-2500.  Will both work for putting animations onto video?  Will
>both work for editing video clips?  What is the difference between the
>Personal TBC IV for the PAR and the AD-2500 Live Video Capture
>Daughter card for the PVR?

>Thanks for the info!

>BOGLE

A PAR is a first generation animation recorder that uses IDE drives and does
not (I'm pretty sure) use a PCI slot.  With the fastest Quantum Fireball IDE
drives, it approaches the quality of a PVR at times, but simply isn't as good.
 The PAR is also available for the Amiga.

The PVR is the second generation product that uses better image sampling and
SCSI drives.  Its quality is generally considered to be up to the BetaCam SP
level.  The capture card for the PVR is very good but since we never hooked up
a fast Quantum to our PAR, I'm not sure if our capture comparisons are fair.
A used PAR can be a good value if you are on a budget.  Both devices put out
composite, component and Y/C signals.  The PVR can record from component where
the PAR can only record from composit or Y/C (actually a function of the
TBC-IV and the PVR daughtercard).

There are software support issues as well, but I am not up to speed on them.
Both devices are either good or excellent at putting animations out to video.
They each have some limited editing capabilities.

Bottom line, is that unless you have a very special reason - get the PVR.

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From: [e-mail]. (Mack)
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In article <4n8vkp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>
>--->the B5 Station was modeled in Lightwave, i don't think so.<---
>
>Not only was it modeled in LW, but it was done on an Amiga.  The B5
>station is not a difficult object to make.  Perhaps at the time it was,
>considering how far modeler has come since 2.0 beta.

sorry, then i was misinformed.a lw user told me it was digitized.we all make
mistakes.

 A difficult model
>at the time was the seaQuest sub.  It was done in software by two
>talented artists.

should have done it in a more organic modeler and imported it. lots of people
do this.
>
>
>--->rarely are models for the high end actually modeled in software.
>and if you
>>call an SGI or Dec Alpha  "off the self", then you must have a pretty
>cool
>>shelf.<---
>
>You can get a DEC machine for about 5K right now, with RAM and a good
>size drive.  SGIs are still overpriced.
>
5k gets you a great rendering engine for sure, but can all my stuff run on it?
though that new emulator looks promising.rember there are people that do this
work at home, regular strength pc's. we pay the bills doing this work for the
rewards of being our own bosses and remaining near our families.wether or not
we can all afford dec's remains to be seen.


>--->All Software has it's limits. Even ILM and Pixar, with access to
>the best
>>modeling software around, Alias, use clay models for most of their
>movies.<----
>
>Sure, if you have a cyber scanner, why not build it clay first.  TV
>productions don't have these tools, so the artists make models in
>software.  Not one single model made at Amblin Imaging was ever
>digitized, not even the Voyager ship for Star Trek.  All built by hand.

not a lot of organic stuff here. any of the models could have been done in 3ds
and alot of other packages as well as well.
>
>
>
>-->Casper, Toy Story, B5, and many more used DIGITIZED models.<---
>
>So, does that mean motion capture is better than keyframed animation?

it can be in some cases

>FYI, digitized models generally come into a package as a complete mess,
>and need extensive cleanup.  They do provide a good place to start, but
>it's not like you get a perfect mesh right out of a digitizer.
>
cyberscanners are faster, but not cleaner than other digitizers,
i've using the space arm, and it required little cleaning.

> --->if Lightwave was so great there would be no copies of Alias sold
>>and no 3d digitizers either.<---
>
>That's a really stupid statement.  By that rational I could argue that
>Alias is not the best modeler, because if it was then there would be no
>copies of LW or anything alse for that matter around, and if digitizing
>were so great we wouldn't need software at all.  LW does have the best
>polygonal modeler around though.

alias being so expensive precludes it being the only package around.plus the
time it takes to do half the stuff in it is much greater than average.
i don't think having the best polygonal modeler around is anything to brag
about. have yet to see any decent humans modeled in it. true nurbs modeling is
the way to go, if you have the memory for it.
>
>
>--->use the proper tool for the job. if i'm going to animate sci-fi
>scenes for TV,
>>yes, use Lightwave.<---
>
>LW is best as a sort of digital model shop, and a creator of
>environments.  Whether it's TV or film, the results would be the same.
>
>
>>
>-->animation for games, 3D Studio<---
>
>That is their biggest market.
>
>
>>
>--->High end paarticle effects and rendering, Alias.<---
>
>Why not, but it's not the only choice.
>
>>
>--->hardcore charater animation, SoftImage.<---
>
>Some would argue Alias is better in this department.
>
>---->  I have a week, in most
>>cases, to get my animation completed from start to finish, if i'm
>lucky.<---
>
>Your breaking my heart!  Yeah, so did I.  And I also had to HAND model
>all the new submarines, colonies, etc, plus paint maps, light scenes,
>and of course the animation, plus the expolsion of the week.  And that
>was just ONE of the shots we'd get.  Usually, we'd get about 5 to 8 to
>complete in that type of time frame.  And this was at D1 res, not game
>res, at 24 bit, not 8 bit.  Then of course there was the snow.....and I
>had to walk to work up hill, both ways....
>
how many people makes up we?one?plus a week is being generous for an
independent in most cases. plus rendering to d1 takes little extra time in 3ds
max. you just need the equipment to get it out of the box.


>--->couldn't say to my customer, "wait a little while longer and you'll
>get a nice
>>raytraced image to display at 256 colours"<---
>
>Niether could we.  If we didn't deliver on time at the beginning of the
>next week, the show wouldn't get it's shots, which meant there'd be
>hell to pay.  In 3 seasons of seaQuest, we never once missed a
>deadline.

yeah, but how many systems do you get to render on?compare your budet to mine
and see what you could done with it. working in a house has it's perks.
>
>
>--->If i want film quaility, i'll use Alias.<---
>
>Does Alias have the market cornered on "film quality"?  What is film
>quality anyway.  People who use Alias in feature work don't render in
>it, they use rendermen.  Alias is far too slow for production work, and
>it's prone to crashing under it's own bloat.  I know, I've seen it.
>Yeah, it looks great, but the trade off as far as whether you're going
>to meet your deadline or not is often not worth it.
>
Going easily to renderman is one of the main reasons people use alias.
it is a huge pig, but i've said that befor.using it on an indy with 64 megs
was very painful.like using lw or 3ds on a 386 with 4 megs.


if lw could go to renderman, i'd buy lw in a flash. though i here rumours of
lightscape being ported to max. very expensive, but i have yet to see anything
outside of renderman that renders as nice. radiosity looks so real it's sick.
raytracing has it's place, thus the reason for all the space and water
animations lw is used for, but there are places raytracing just doesn't look
right, though trying to do reflections nicly in a scanliner is a pain.like
i've said befor, using the right tools for the job is just the smart way to
go.



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Subject: Video Flyer System for sale >>>>>>> Great package!!!
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Video Flyer System for sale
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Amiga 4000 40/040 Warp Engine With 16 Megs 60ns RAM
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Warp Engine SCSI II Centronics port on back
and SCSI II ribbon cable inside
Modified to hold the old Toaster 2000 Card

Commodore 1960 Monitor with sync-strainer
A4000 Keyboard
A3000 Mouse

120Meg IDE Seagate HD
1.2 Gig SCSI II Toshiba HD

Toaster 4000 card with Version 3.1 software

Video Flyer card w\octopus HD cable - I have from Version .9 to 4.1
software

Studio 16 w\V3.0 software (8 track non-linear CD quality audio - VERY
COOL)

External mini tower for Flyer Drives. Includes:
-----------------------------------------------
2 Quantum Atlas 2 Gig "Flyer HQ5 Approved" HD's
1 Connor 1 Gig SCSI II Audio HD
1 Sanyo 2x SCSI CD Rom
DPS Personal TBC IV

Lightwave (Amiga) V3.5 & V4.0 Stand alone w\dongle, disks, and manuals

MASSIVE collection of nearly all of the very best Amiga software.
You name it I've probably got it.
-----------------------------------------------
I do not want to part this stuff out.
Make me an offer on the whole system.
I'm not that sure I really want to part with it - so don't make the
offer absurdly low.
I'm just doing so much more Animation than Video that I think this
might be the right move.

Thanks,

William C. Walker III
Amazing Sound & Vision
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>Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) ([e-mail]) wrote:
>:
>:
>: [snip]
>:
>: >: release, free, products of significant value.  Example Internet Explorer.
>: >: Released free while Netscape Navigator costs (retail or shareware) about
>: >: $50. Same story is true of their "new" HTML editor.  Net result = weakened
>: >: competitors.Then less competitors.
>:
>: Ahhh - here is the myth/deception:
>:
>: If a company "drives out" the competition by providing free or below market
>: priced products, the consumer benefits.  If the competitor then raises prices
>: in order to "gouge" the consumer will be hurt.  But what this scenario ignores
>: is that competition can always REENTER.  And this is the deception.

>No "deception" Walter, it's obvious that anyone, at anytime, can enter a
>market currently dominated by one or more companies.

I don't think it is as obvious as you think.  I also think it is no accident
that this part is consistently left out of these scenarios.  In fact, the mere
fact that competitors can enter the market puts pressure on the dominant
forces to toe the line.  If margins go up significantly, the threat will
become a reality.

>: Pro-regulation folks conveniently leave out the other side of this
>: equation.  There are billions of investment dollars out there just waiting to
>: assist someone in entering a market with high profit margins (such as the
>: situation that is created when there is little competition).  This, of course,
>: will drive the prices back down.

>An interesting conception, but in reality few investors are going to be
>willing to back a company unless there's an excellent chance of return on
>that investment.  Your idea of "billions" leaves out the point that these
>billions aren't targeting one company.

Right.  But when margins are high the likelihood of a good return are also
good.  I don't have an idea of billions of dollars.  It is a simple fact.
Granted, it is unlikely that any one company would attract that kind of money,
but companies attract millions all the time.  And besides, it could easily be
many companies - not just one.

>What happens if the company that released a product for free, or below it's
>market value dramatically, never raises the price - but instead keeps that
>product's price point so low that nothing can enter and compete.  The
>company underwrites that product by dominating a market that it can come to
>control and sell other products to to offset the original product's losses.

The consumer benefits tremendously.  But then what sense does it make for
a company to dominate a market that must be underwritten by a more profitable
endeavor?  It would make more sense to pursue the more profitable endeavor
instead.

>What happens to that competitor that is forced into a collapse?  How are
>they going reenter a market?  How do they survive to reenter the market
>during such a period?  How do they pay their employees?  Can they get
>distibution channels to trust them again to carry their products?  (If you
>think distributors are eager to carry new products, guess again.  If you
>think they'll pay COD for new products, guess again.)

Individual competitors can definitely be hurt.  That is the downside.  The
upside is that consumers benefit.  That company may not be able to reenter the
market.  The point I was making is that gaining control of a market is not the
end of the story and is not necessarily a "bad thing" in aggregate.  Note also
that the company cutting its prices is also hurting its investors by reducing
its profits.  Their gambit must rely on being able to make up the difference
in the future.

>: So, you end up with either a near monopoly and reasonable prices or a number
>: of competitors and reasonable prices.  When prices become "unreasonably" high
>: or low, that usually indicates a change in the market.  These changes
>: eventually settle out.  There is no impending horror story.  Which is the
>: myth.

>This is no myth, it's history.  Anyone can look it up if they take the time
>to do so.

The history is that it is impossible to maintain artificial high prices for
very long without coercive (forcible interference).  That forcible
interference could be thugs hired by a corporation or union, or they could be
a government entity.  More often nowdays it is a government entity.  The oil
cartel was made possible in part because US regulations limited competition by
capping prices on domestic oil.  When that changed, the cartel (ya remember
OPEC) sorta lost its edge.

>The other point you've left out in your rebuttal is that a competitor that
>is bought out, taken over, or absorbed can vanish utterly.  As has been
>pointed out by others, a large dominating company can buy smaller
>competitorswho can't keep up with giveaway software strategies, then simply
>discontinue the competing product.  Remember Photostyler and other Aldus
>products?  Adobe bought Aldus.  According to the press the FTC passed on the
>deal specifically because Adobe's stated plans did not call for eliminating
>the Aldus products.  Photostyler and other Aldus products are no more now.

>Kermit Woodall
>Nova Design, Inc.
>http://www.novadesign.com

Yes they certainly can - assuming they offer a price that is worthwhile to
the owners.  But the bigger issue that I was addressing is that this is not
necessarily a "bad thing".  In other words,  quality products at "reasonable"
prices are not at risk.

I would never assert that the competitive world is all milk and honey and that
everybody always does well and nobody ever suffers.  But I would assert that
negative affects of corporate takeovers, buyouts and pricing strategies are a
significant worry to an economy - though they certainly can be to a
competitor.  And I would also assert that the positive effects of these
activities is almost universally ignored in the popular press and media.  This
ommision helps to feed the fears of those who haven't taken the time to
investigate how things really work in an economy which is part of the reason
that so many people are willing to give way to much control to governments
over these matters.  Their fear of all these bad things has helped to create
one of the biggest threats to our economy.  A huge government with a
propensity to regulate.

BTW - this is so off-topic that it is absurd.  If anybody wants to continue
this in a different group, then I will not bow out.  However, I won't post on
this topic here again.

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Subject: 5.0 bug....
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I finally got my 5.0 upgrade and came across an interesting 'feature' when I
was testing it after the install.
Seems if you load an object that uses a surface shader that's not installed
you get an error message telling you there's a problem. The message has a
'Continue" button, but it doesn't work. Since you can't get rid of the error
message you can't do anything else in LW.
The program isn't hung since you can go to Modeler and import objects from
Layout, but the layout interface seems dead. This was under Win95.

Anybody else want to try to repeat this?


Jeff H...


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <[e-mail]> Elliot Bain <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Elliot Bain <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Bill Gates -Was "MAX or LightWave? How about some MAX here"-
>Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:49:56 -0400

>Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>> Ahhh - here is the myth/deception:
>>
>> If a company "drives out" the competition by providing free or below market
>> priced products, the consumer benefits.  If the competitor then raises prices
>> in order to "gouge" the consumer will be hurt.  But what this scenario ignores
>> is that competition can always REENTER.  And this is the deception.
>> Pro-regulation folks conveniently leave out the other side of this
>> equation.  There are billions of investment dollars out there just waiting to
>> assist someone in entering a market with high profit margins (such as the
>> situation that is created when there is little competition).  This, of course,
>> will drive the prices back down.
>>
>> So, you end up with either a near monopoly and reasonable prices or a number
>> of competitors and reasonable prices.  When prices become "unreasonably" high
>> or low, that usually indicates a change in the market.  These changes
>> eventually settle out.  There is no impending horror story.  Which is the
>> myth.
>>
>> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
>> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
>> http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

>While this scenario is valid, it only addresses part of the problem. You've ignored
>the human side. People lose their jobs during these dislocations. And while it's
>easy to say that this is the price of progress, the view looks quite different when
>you're the one who's down-sized out of a job.

>The economic models never take into account what happens to people in the process of
>change. I don't think many of us would like to live in a society that was totally
>economically efficient.

>--
>Elliot Bain
>Laurell Creative Services
>614.459.4404

Oh balderdash!  You have just done what so many people do with the "economic"
model.  You have ignored the jobs created by the company that is expanding.
What about all the new opportunities?

Personally, I would love to live in an economically efficient world.  Such a
world would make it possible for me to not have to be concerned about job
displacements because there would be a greater return on the work that I do.
I would be able to have more for an equivalent amount of effort.  It would be
easier to make decisions based on personal desires with less emphasis on
economic "necessities".

Dislocation in a weak economy is something to fear.  Dislocation in a strong
one is much less fearful.  Efficient and productive do NOT mean inhuman OR
uncaring.


Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

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From: [e-mail] (Adam Ives Chrystie)
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Actually, the original post was asking if someone could make UV mapping
plugin for LightWave so that an image will follow the contours of an
object without having teh stretching syndrome...

Interactive texture map placing i think comes with 5.0 via some
plugin...if i am correct.
--
----------------------------------
Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator
Cinema/Video Major, Senior
University Of California at Santa Cruz

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> availible to any old joe". Sounds elitist I know, but I do mean it like that,
> and I'm being somewhat lighthearted anyway :-)
                                                         ^^^^

Uh, I meant _don't_... Oops...
<sheepish grin>


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From: [e-mail] (T. Brian Schnapp)
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Greetings,

I don't read this group, so sorry if this is a common question.  Is there
an easy way to import structured clip art into the modeler?  I currently
import the artwork into Typesmith and save it as a font.  Then I can use
it in the modeler.  Or even open a background image in modeler then trace
it somehow.


Brian

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To: Saiyad Abdul <[e-mail]>

Saiyad Abdul wrote:
>
> I just got my 5.0 today. The powerivew plugin seems to me be giving me the
> same error(can't get module handle) as the one for 4.0 did before you changed
> the name and reinstalled. I have tried changing name to "pviewigl.p" and
> reinstalling it as this worked with 4.0 but alas it did not work. Does
> anyone have an answer on to how I can fix it? ..Oh yeah this is running
> under Win95.
>
> Sai


This may sound like a strange question, but if your useing 5.0 Why do you need PowerView? Since OPENGL is now built in. Excues me if your on an
amiga, but I sae the amiga powerview and saw little use for it.

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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unless they can get a
new Super-Toaster out, for any platform, something like Trinity, only
better, faster, and (most important from a NewTek'y style aspect)
-----------------------------------------------------

Who will make this 'super Toaster' at NewTek?

Also - it's be DAMN hard to get better or cheaper than Trinty. Trinity is
actually priced about the same as a Toaster when you take into account the
two TBCs, audio mixer, edit controller, and chroma keyer - plus, the host
computer will be cheaper...



_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

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tracer robson wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 May 1996 09:04:46 -0500, Nate Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> )>Hi Benjamin,
> )>
> )>I'm the one who wrote the tutorial. I've got copies of it uploaded to
> )>CompuServe under both the LightWave User's Group forum (GO GUGRPA) and
> )>the Premiere/PC forum (GO ADOBEAPP). Unfortunately, there's not a way to
> )>post it here in this newsgroup or else I'd do so....
> )>
> )>But yes, you can get very professional compositing results with the
> )>Adobe Photoshop/Premiere combination. For people on a budget, I highly
> )>recommend them both.
> )>
> )>Nate
>
> Could someone retrieve this and put it here, or on their web or ftp site.
> for those of us who don't have access to Compuserve?
> Thanks..
>
> e

If someone could provide a place for me to upload the file where it
would be accessible to everyone, I'll do it... just e-mail me at
[e-mail] if you've got info.

Nate hayes

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> does any one know if this exists in the current or upgrades of
> photoshop(3.05)?
> bezier controls tools for doing selections. i may have missed it, but in alias
> eclipe and in animator studio i can manipulate a paths profile with bezier
> controls. can this be done in photoshop?

Yes, Photoshop has these types of selections... and a whole bunch more.
Plus, Photoshop has great support for alpha channels and compositing.
Especially when used in conjunction with Premiere and the Adobe
FilmStrip format, you can apply very complex compositing calculations to
a whole film clip at once... this provides the same type of capabilites
as batch/queue paint programs like QFX.

I use both Photoshop and Premiere and find them to be an indespesible
set of tools.

Nate hayes

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Just played with it this afternoon....GOOD GOD WHAT A MACHINE!!!

Unbelievably fast GL acceleration and it was a dream to model in!

of course the machine I played with was 36,000.00 so that explains a
lot, still, a better deal then an SGI (there are actually a lot of
programs for Windows! :)

later
Josh Tsui

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>> Shoot - so few people even read the
manuals.   <<

You mean you're supposed to read them?


Keith
ZombieVisions
3D animation/virtual environments/interactive media/illustration
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:32:31 -0700
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In article <4neidm$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](William Teegarden) wrote:

(Refering to me..)

> Jeff, this guy's an idiot.  He obviously know almost NOTHING of how CGI
> is produced, his web page proves that. Don't waste your time with him.
>
> The films he throws out with such reckless abandon where not "done in
> Alias".  Sure, Alias was probably used to built some of the geometry
> for these productions, [clip]

Call Alias, ask for a copy of their demo tape. Listen to the interviews
with the guy that did Batman, hear him talk explicitly about what scenes
they used Alias for - like all the action shots of Batman jumping off the
building, the cape flapping in the wind, watch the rest of the
tape........eat your words.

> He's not even using SGI Alias for that matter, but Alias Sketch, which
> is far from Poweranimator.

Which I stated repeatedly. The web page was created to lay to rest Jeff's
bizarre claims that he could fake reflections/refractions in 3D Studio as
well as I could raytrace them with Alias Sketch!.

Joe

> GT

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On 5/15/96 2:09PM, in message <[e-mail]>, B Hayes
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > As you can see, LightWaves development process fulfills the needs of
> > the Major Film/TV Effects studios using it. When they are happy with
> > it then we call it good enough to ship to the public.
> >
> > Brian Thomas
> > LightWave 3D Testing Coordinator
> > NewTek, Inc.
>
> Brian:
>
> How about the needs of the minor studios using it? For example I have had a
> dialog with Chuck through compuserve since last year, But every
> time I make a suggestion he sez he forwards it to the proper channels... then
> I never hear about it again. For example (as if no one has
> suggested this yet): there NEEDS to be a way to load Multiple Objects/Images
> at once. If WV studios has thousands of objects per scene I can't
> belive that some one is clicking "load Object" scrolling down to the object
> cliking on it and then doing is again, thousands of times. You need
> to have a "Load Directory" or at least Shift-Click / Ctrl-Click. I hate
> haveing to Waist Time repeating this task.
>
> Brad Hayes
> http://pacificney.net/~bjhayes
>
> P.S. Sorry I ment this in a friendly way, but every thing I have writen today
> sounds like I have a real attitude. Not so... Thanks!

I'm at one of the "big studios" using it, and I was at one of the other "big
studios" before this and _I've_ asked for that too.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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Subject: Joe Monahan's Challenge
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OK everyone, I sent this note to Joe this evening along with images:

Joe,
    I had an extra hour last night to do this test for you.  Basically I tried
to match what you had--in other words, there were features I could have used to
up the ante, but I figured we needed to be as close as possible to a "standard
scene" to make the comparison a viable one.  I have enclosed a full res version
and a thumbnail.  I think even you will agree that this looks WAY better than
the one you did, although I'd have to see a version done with Alias Sketch by
someone who actually has some inkling of talent to actually make a fair
assessment of that program.  I'm also posting this note on the net so everyone
will know that your challenge has been met.  I'm sure people will be looking
forward to seeing the Lightwave image so please get it online as fast as you
can.  The image isn't the greatest but what the hell, here it is anyway.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail](Douglas Nakakihara )
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Subject: Benchmark help (P6-200 owners in particular)
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Hey:

I'm trying to compile some some benchmarks based on making a 5, 6, and
7 Tesselation default ball in Modeler. I'm mostly interested in the
results from a P6-200MHz, but others please let me know.


--
   ////   Douglas J. Nakakihara
   * *     ELECTRICAL LANGUAGE
    ~        Simi Valley, CA

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> Call Alias, ask for a copy of their demo tape. Listen to the interviews
> with the guy that did Batman, hear him talk explicitly about what scenes
> they used Alias for - like all the action shots of Batman jumping off the
> building, the cape flapping in the wind, watch the rest of the
> tape........eat your words.

You can go to PDI's web page and get this...
Our job

     The R&D group is responsible for building and maintaining the proprietary
software base that lets the animators at PDI do their jobs. Our staff of
programmers work side-by-side with the Animation team to help solve the technical,
creative, and artistic problems of animation. We also work very closely with the
Training, Documentation, and Systems Administration groups.

     R&D is always trying to resolve a natural sort of tug-of-war between short
term production demands -- critical bug-fixes and job-specific application
enhancements -- and longer term, forward looking development so we can create
significantly new techniques and capabilities. Writing and maintaining
our own suite of animation tools is no simple task, but the company benefits
from having a highly adaptive, customizable environment that makes real
technical and visual innovation possible.

We've created software for clouds, tools to make the Pillsbury Doughboy dance,
and programs to interprete the physics that ripple Batman's cape through the air.
On the left is the result our custom fur shader for Plussa, the furry spokesperson
of Pola Cosmetics.

R&D history

     Research and Development has been an integral part of PDI since the inception
of the company 15 years ago, when the only way you could create computer animation
was to build the tools yourself. Carl Rosendahl, Richard Chuang, and Glenn Entis,
the founders of the company, wrote the software that allowed them to create the first
PDI animations. The inertia of that original situation has carried on, and PDI uses
home-grown tools for most of the work that we do. This includes software for lighting
and rendering, compositing, motion, character setup, dynamics, 2D effects and image
processing, and, of course, 3D effects. Today, Richard Chuang, in addition to his
responsibilities as VP of Special Projects, still writes critical pieces of software and
provides guidance for the R&D staff.

R&D manifesto

     This is the condensed version of the principles that guide us so we can enable
animators to make great pictures: React quickly to the ever-changing demands of a
competitive production department, emphasizing the rapid construction of tools that can be
integrated into the production pipeline. Keep it simple. Avoid building software components
that are overly complex and difficult to complete. Focus on the ways that tools are used
together. Create a modular system of separate tools that work together well. Pay attention
to the whole production process in order to improve production competitiveness and efficiency.
Increase the bandwidth for innovation. Provide toolkits that make it easy for animators,
as well as R&D, to make new tools. So what's the real result after this huffing and puffing?
Animators get cool tools like this program which simulates fabric motion.

Our slogans

     We don't have a product marketing department making up snappy inspiring slogans
for us, so we do it ourselves. Here's a sanitized selection...

          R&D - Ampersand is Our Middle Name.

          R&D - You're Never Number 2 With Us.

          R&D - It's in Our Blood and Other Bodily Fluids.

          R&D - Guaranteed in 30 Minutes or Never.

          R&D - Software You Can't Buy Anywhere.

          R&D - It's On Our To-Do List.

The web page is http://www.pdi.com/experts/r+d/r+d.html if you want to look
for yourself. At the botton the even have a screenshot of their proprietary
software used for Batman. Or you can check it out in CGW magazine July 95.
It has a nice picture of Batman falling from a building with the caption
saying it was done with proprietary software. PDI is well know for using
in-house tools.

> > He's not even using SGI Alias for that matter, but Alias Sketch, which
> > is far from Poweranimator.
>
> Which I stated repeatedly. The web page was created to lay to rest Jeff's
> bizarre claims that he could fake reflections/refractions in 3D Studio as
> well as I could raytrace them with Alias Sketch!.

And I did a simple little picture done in 3D Studio with reflections and
refractions. I will even send it to GT since we did this before, and he
can verify this thing. I think Fred and I have both sent you images for
your page, yet I still only see your Sketch pictures.

Jeff
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From: [e-mail] (James Jones/Nibbles and Bits)
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   Speaking of Alias... (why fight a trend? :)

   Would anyone happen to know off the top of their head where a
spec for the Alias image file format (*.als) might be hiding? I've
looked high and low, hither and yon, with nothing to show except
slightly more wear on the "F", "T" and "P" keys on my keyboard. :)
   Ditto SoftImaaaage image file format (*.pic).

   TIAFAH!

   -Jim

James G. Jones
Nibbles & Bits
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From: Elliot Bain <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Bill Gates -Was "MAX or LightWave? How about some MAX here"-
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Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote:

>
> Oh balderdash!  You have just done what so many people do with the "economic"
> model.  You have ignored the jobs created by the company that is expanding.
> What about all the new opportunities?

Again, what about those displaced? Jobs move from coast to coast, continent to
continent. It's all well and good to say that new jobs are created, but what
happens when those jobs leave the country where 'pure, free market forces' don't
exist? In that case, we've given up the jobs and have no new ones in return.

>
> Personally, I would love to live in an economically efficient world.  Such a
> world would make it possible for me to not have to be concerned about job
> displacements because there would be a greater return on the work that I do.
> I would be able to have more for an equivalent amount of effort.  It would be
> easier to make decisions based on personal desires with less emphasis on
> economic "necessities".

My guess is that you are still a young person who thinks they'll never be a victim
of a perfectly efficent economy. I hope you're correct, but it's wishful thinking
to assume that the next new hire, who's 5-10 years younger, with fresh and new
ideas, and willing to work for less, won't get your job away from you. That's an
efficiency that you probably wouldn't care for, I bet.

Nor would you probably be very happy if your company were bought out with loans,
subsidized by tax deductions on the interest, and your division was eliminated. It
happens all the time.

>
> Dislocation in a weak economy is something to fear.  Dislocation in a strong
> one is much less fearful.  Efficient and productive do NOT mean inhuman OR
> uncaring.

While this is a noble sentiment, it just doesn't work that way in the real world.
The sweat shops at the turn of the century were certainly efficient, and child
labor allowed for very low costs, but we, as a society, decided on less efficiency
in order to be humane. Society just didn't want to be that efficient.

While no one can, nor should, be guaranteed a worry-free existence, some
efficencies deserve to be discarded.

>
>
> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
> http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber


--
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>     I had an extra hour last night to do this test for you.  Basically I tried
> to match what you had--in other words, there were features I could have used to
> up the ante, but I figured we needed to be as close as possible to a "standard
> scene" to make the comparison a viable one.  I have enclosed a full res version
> and a thumbnail.  I think even you will agree that this looks WAY better than
> the one you did, although I'd have to see a version done with Alias Sketch by
> someone who actually has some inkling of talent to actually make a fair
> assessment of that program.  I'm also posting this note on the net so everyone
> will know that your challenge has been met.  I'm sure people will be looking
> forward to seeing the Lightwave image so please get it online as fast as you
> can.  The image isn't the greatest but what the hell, here it is anyway.
> --
>                       -=Fred=-


Don't expect them to get on. I did a crude little scene early this week and sent
it to Joe just to prove to him that 3DS could fake reflections and refractions.
My image is still not on his site as of yet. He just sent me a load of rude e-mail
after I sent it too him.

Jeff
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On the same note...Alias/Wavefront has a new add with a scene from Jumanji of the elephant
running over the car. What they fail to mention in the ad of course is that Alias was only
used to model the elephant. The scene that they were showing in their ad was actually done in
Softimage and of course rendered in Renderman. I guess they can also make claim for a few
shards of glass that were done in Dynamation. Someone else mentioned that at NAB there was a
short clip of a 3D Studio animation mixed into their tape. We have Alias here at Ohio State as
well as Wavefront (Thank you ILM!) and while they are very powerful programs, they are NOT the
be all and end all of animation. If they were, so many production studios, and Ohio State too,
wouldn't have in-house software as well. That is a big reason why I lurk here on the Lightwave
newsgroup. Although I don't use Lightwave, there are many people here with wonderful insight
into animation in general. The pros also have time to debate a little with us future
competition ;) I respect someone like GT, who was busy at the time working on Seaquest at
Amblin, who took the time to have a discussion and trade pictures with me. I have no respect
for boisterous people who come on here and flame everyone yet have nothing substaintial to
back up their big mouth with. As these people know, it is not the software that makes the
artist. They are talented individuals who could probably do amazing things even if they were
using Simply 3D. They don't need Alias to create stunning animations. They have found their
nich with Lightwave, and me with 3D Studio, doesn't make them or me any less talented based on
the software we use.

Jeff
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Mack <[e-mail].> wrote:
: >
: 5k gets you a great rendering engine for sure, but can all my stuff run on it?
: though that new emulator looks promising.rember there are people that do this
: work at home, regular strength pc's. we pay the bills doing this work for the
: rewards of being our own bosses and remaining near our families.wether or not
: we can all afford dec's remains to be seen.

My boss installed Softimage on a regular Pentium 150 or 166, with no 3D
acceleration. He said it isn't bad, and you can get work done on it. How
much you invest in your livelyhood depends on what you want to get out of
it. Or how much you *can* get out of it.

: cyberscanners are faster, but not cleaner than other digitizers,
: i've using the space arm, and it required little cleaning.

I've wondered why you can't use those space arms as sculpting tools.
Imagine a stereo modeler with the space arm as your virtual clay knife.

: alias being so expensive precludes it being the only package around.plus the
: time it takes to do half the stuff in it is much greater than average.
: i don't think having the best polygonal modeler around is anything to brag
: about. have yet to see any decent humans modeled in it. true nurbs modeling is
: the way to go, if you have the memory for it.

I'm not that impressed with the human models I've seen modeled on
anything. Well, actually those guys in "The Boxer" are great.

Polygons have their uses. You can "sculpt" in polygons, being able to
push and pull anywhere on the surface without regard for changing detail
(just subdivide an area where more detail is needed). With the right
tools, like LW's MetaNurbs and the best magnet tool in the business (only
works on selected vertices, fancy that!), being able to hide selected
polygons and vertices on objects with complex layers, layers that can be
operated on separately or together . . .

The latest way we've used LW in conjunction with Alias is to sculpt 3
dimensional characters and heads in LW, then use that as a 3D template
for making efficient NURBS objects in Alias. Plus we can work at home.

Making a Nurbs object in Alias is not a big problem, but you want to be
as efficient as possible to make the character easy to animate.

: >
: >
: >--->use the proper tool for the job. if i'm going to animate sci-fi
: >scenes for TV,
: >>yes, use Lightwave.<---
: >
: >LW is best as a sort of digital model shop, and a creator of
: >environments.  Whether it's TV or film, the results would be the same.
: >
: >
: >>
: >-->animation for games, 3D Studio<---
: >
: >That is their biggest market.
: >
: >
: >>
: >--->High end paarticle effects and rendering, Alias.<---
: >
: >Why not, but it's not the only choice.
: >
: >>
: >--->hardcore charater animation, SoftImage.<---
: >
: >Some would argue Alias is better in this department.
: >
: >---->  I have a week, in most
: >>cases, to get my animation completed from start to finish, if i'm
: >lucky.<---
: >
: >Your breaking my heart!  Yeah, so did I.  And I also had to HAND model
: >all the new submarines, colonies, etc, plus paint maps, light scenes,
: >and of course the animation, plus the expolsion of the week.  And that
: >was just ONE of the shots we'd get.  Usually, we'd get about 5 to 8 to
: >complete in that type of time frame.  And this was at D1 res, not game
: >res, at 24 bit, not 8 bit.  Then of course there was the snow.....and I
: >had to walk to work up hill, both ways....
: >
: how many people makes up we?one?plus a week is being generous for an
: independent in most cases. plus rendering to d1 takes little extra time in 3ds
: max. you just need the equipment to get it out of the box.


: >--->couldn't say to my customer, "wait a little while longer and you'll
: >get a nice
: >>raytraced image to display at 256 colours"<---
: >
: >Niether could we.  If we didn't deliver on time at the beginning of the
: >next week, the show wouldn't get it's shots, which meant there'd be
: >hell to pay.  In 3 seasons of seaQuest, we never once missed a
: >deadline.

: yeah, but how many systems do you get to render on?compare your budet to mine
: and see what you could done with it. working in a house has it's perks.
: >
: >
: >--->If i want film quaility, i'll use Alias.<---
: >
: >Does Alias have the market cornered on "film quality"?  What is film
: >quality anyway.  People who use Alias in feature work don't render in
: >it, they use rendermen.  Alias is far too slow for production work, and
: >it's prone to crashing under it's own bloat.  I know, I've seen it.
: >Yeah, it looks great, but the trade off as far as whether you're going
: >to meet your deadline or not is often not worth it.
: >
: Going easily to renderman is one of the main reasons people use alias.
: it is a huge pig, but i've said that befor.using it on an indy with 64 megs
: was very painful.like using lw or 3ds on a 386 with 4 megs.


: if lw could go to renderman, i'd buy lw in a flash. though i here rumours of
: lightscape being ported to max. very expensive, but i have yet to see anything
: outside of renderman that renders as nice. radiosity looks so real it's sick.
: raytracing has it's place, thus the reason for all the space and water
: animations lw is used for, but there are places raytracing just doesn't look
: right, though trying to do reflections nicly in a scanliner is a pain.like
: i've said befor, using the right tools for the job is just the smart way to
: go.



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From: [e-mail] (GKeenan818)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: REVIEW:  The Best of LightWavePro
Date: 17 May 1996 02:13:11 -0400
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Sending a package to America is very straight forward as long as you use a
courier to deliver it. Sending packages by surface mail is another matter
all together, and I have been told that this is the way these books are
being shipped to customers in the UK. With the very long delay, and
changing excuses given when asked about the delay, I would have thought
the company concerned might have sent the books by speedier methods.

I think this matter could have been handled a lot better, but then you
live and learn......




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From: [e-mail] (GoDz9000)
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DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CRACKED COPY OF LW5 THEY WANT TO SEND ME ???
------------------- * NOW YOU FACE * ---------------------
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 /     __   |  \   ___     /  |   / \   / \    / \   | |
/     |  |  |   |   _/     \_ /  /   \ /   \  /   \  | |
|__|  |__|  |__/   /___    __/   \___/ \___/  \___/  o o
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BABYLON5/SAAB/STTNG/VOYAGER/DS9/XFILES/VR5/FULLHOUSE!!!!!!
"I must search for the Eye" - Garibaldi.  - * -
 - * -            "Arrrghhhh!" - Sheridan.
"Watch your warez" - Marcus.   - * -
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           --- * THE GODZ IS WATCHING YOU * ---


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From: [e-mail] (Saiyad Abdul)
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VirtualBri ([e-mail]) writes:
> Um, since you can go to Display>Options>Preview Type>Open GL Smooth
> Shaded, which is now built into modeler, there's really no need to get
> Powerview working at all.
>
I know, but it seems to me that powerview is a little faster...I could be
completely off my rocker and besides I need something to do since UPS
destroyed my manuals with water :(....You know how frustrating it is to
have all this cool new stuff and just to screw around with it blindly....Oh
well playing with metanurbs sure is fun :)

> --Brian

Sai


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From: [e-mail](Bob Bennett)
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Anyone have any experience with a readily available 060 board (w/SCSI)
for the Amiga 2000?  I'm looking for one.  It must work with V-Toaster
and DPS PAR.

Thanks for any advice.

Bob


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From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
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Henri Smulders wrote:

> I am afraid that LW is not the best program for what you want to do.
> (I don't want flames to start; Yes: LW can be programmed through
> plug-ins-No: It is not exactly well suited for simulation purposes)

I've been using LW to visualize 3D hydrodynamics and atmospheric transport
for five years, mostly without the benefit of the plug-in architecture.
Suitability obviously depends on a lot of things.

- Ernie



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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
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Fred, UUEncode it and post it.  Can't be that big a file.
--Brian
========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
== Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
=============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============

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Steve Koren wrote:

> Hmm... I think it did (3.5 SA).  My memory may be fading too, but I
> can distinctly recall using Import & Export in 3.5.

Jay Turberville added:

> This is how I remember it too.

I'll defer to you guys.  It never worked for me, but I didn't try
very hard either.

- Ernie



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From: [e-mail] (Peter Anker)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Rafe Purnell  wrote:

>Until Imagine for Windows comes my way I will stick with Lightwave.

I believe Imagine ver. 4 (win3.x,95,nt) is infact out on the shelves! It's
priced at $990, and has been advertised in the mag 3D Artist by:

Technical Animations, Inc.
e-mail them at: [e-mail]
or www: www.theramp.net/techanim

Peter.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
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In article <4neh0d$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](William Teegarden) wrote:

> >I'm keeping all these posts to present to the Internet class I teach
> -a
> >good lesson for them, and for me!
> >
> >Joe Monahan
> >
>
>
> What are you teaching in your class?  Hope it's not how to design a web
> page.

Actually, I will be later in the term. Currently I'm explaining News
groups and how many are such a waste of time. (All the posts in this
thread are proving my point quite well - and the students seem amused.)

The web page was slapped together literally in 20 minutes. If you have any
tips on good web page design, please send them along. I DID stop into your
page.
I don't think you have a lot of room for criticism in this regard.

> I saw your images today from the browser at work.  Although they are
> "nice" they certainly aren't anything that hasn't been done a million
> times already.

They were not meant to bo original in any way. They were meant to present
examples of raytraced images. Kept simple deliberatly.

>
> Your lighting is simplistic, models unchallenging to create, especially
> with such a powerful program as Alias.  I would think that you would
> have at the very least made something that would show off NURBS
> modeling rather than simple extrusions and lathes.

I used ALIAS SKETCH! - a $200 modeling application. Thats why it says
ALIAS SKETCH! really big across the top of the web page. I can put up
stuff I've done in Alias Power Animator, but that isn't the point of this
page.


> GT
>

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From: [e-mail] (Chewie8625)
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Subject: Cal Comp Drawing slate 2?
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I know where to get one for a preaty good price and was wondering if
anyone has had any experience with them and lightwave. My main question is
how does it compare to Wacom's art-z 2? Thanks for any input. (On a
sidenote...does anyone know if it can also be used on a Mac also with the
proper driver software?)

-Emile Edwin Smith
-An about to graduate student in Visual Arts
-Film/Video senior
-University of California at San Diego
-Anyone need a janitor?

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On 5/15/96 8:45AM, in message <4ncu7c$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> In <4mtgig$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Warren Vosper)
> writes:
>
> >: : : has a full speed 64 bit bus (PCI is 32 bit) or a true 64 bit OS (fewer
> clock
> >: : : cycles) or 64 bit memory. Not that all SGI software takes advantage of
> all
> >: : : that, but most of the 3D software does, and you really notice the
> difference
> >: : : when interacting with large scenes.
> >
> >: :   DEC's unix OS has been 64 bit since the alpha was introduced.
> >
> >: DEC's unix OS isn't Windows NT, is it?
> >
> >  no, and SGI's unix isn't NT either is it?  but it
> >is 64 bit.  you didn't specify you were talking about NT in
> >the above quote were you?
> >
> I think it was just to say that SGI's unix is 64-bit and NT is only 32-bit
> (in fact
> some of it's still 16-bit) so the SGI would be fully taken advantage of.


I think you're confusing NT with '95.  NT is all 32 bit, whereas '95 still has
a  lot of 16 bit.  Also, where SGI in involved, it's the consumer who's fully
taken advantage of.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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On 5/14/96 3:57PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Pat Borjon <borjon>
wrote:

> On 5/10/96 2:59AM, in message
> <[e-mail]>, Joe Monahan
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >> > Quick clue Joe. "alot" isn't a word.
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> No, actually it is. I'm just not anal about it. And - I can usually get my
> >> point across even with misspelled words - something you seem to have a
> >> problem with.
> >>
>
> >Actually it isn't in the way you used it.  What you meant was "a lot" which
> is
> >two words.  "Allot" is a word but it means to grant or reserve, as in "I'm
> >going to allot you only one parking space."
> >--
> >                      -=Fred=-
>
>
> are you guys serious?
> don't whine about use of language here.
>
> while im on the subject & since these ARE model/anim groups, let me ask this:
> how to rot pitch 90 on a bone, then tell layout this is angle 0,0,0.  this way
> the bone is standing upright like a leg. gimbal lock makes heading/bank rot
> the same function @ pitch=90.  i wanted to just rot bone 90 pitch & make it
> the
> child of a NULL so i could manipulate the bone via the NULL, but you can't
> make
> a bone the child of a NULL.
>
> (& i think we all know how fun it is to manipulate the bone via the NULL)  :)
>
> alright alright, enuf already, i'll stop now...
>
> any clues/help appreciated,
> pat
>

Yes I'm serious about using reasonably correct English on the net.  Just
because this isn't "official" doesn't mean I want to read poorly written posts.
 Doesn't anyone go to school any more?  For crying out loud, is it SO difficult
to use a capital letter every now and then to start off a sentence?  I will no
longer respond to help questions written like that.  But I do know the answer
to what you're asking...
--
                      -=Fred=-


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On 5/16/96 4:11PM, in message
<[e-mail]>, Joe Monahan
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I used ALIAS SKETCH! - a $200 modeling application. Thats why it says
> ALIAS SKETCH! really big across the top of the web page. I can put up
> stuff I've done in Alias Power Animator, but that isn't the point of this
> page.
>


I'd be _VERY_ interested in seeing your Power Animator stuff.  In fact, I
CHALLENGE YOU!!!  What's wrong with comparing LW and Power animator just like
you're comparing LW and Alias Sketch?
--
                      -=Fred=-


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On 5/17/96 12:23AM, in message <4nh9hm$[e-mail]>, VirtualBri
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Fred, UUEncode it and post it.  Can't be that big a file.
> --Brian
> ========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
> == Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
> =============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============


I'll give Joe a day or two to live up to his word and put it on his web page
first;  if it doesn't happen, I'll post it.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (GKeenan818)
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Subject: Re: Lightwave 5
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Hi there,

We have the LightWave 5.0 upgrade (INTEL PC) version available for 399.00
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Subject: LIGHTWAVE 5.0 UK UPGRADE HERE!
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From: [e-mail] (Gordon D.B. Cameron)
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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[e-mail] wrote:
: On 5/11/96 1:07AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Gordon Cameron
: <[e-mail]> wrote:

: > > A dual processor Pentium Pro (which is available and a good deal) IS faster
: > > than almost any SGI workstation.
: >
: > Perhaps true in raw processor performance - but it really depends what you
: > are
: > doing. SGI are, contrary to popular opinion, the kings of medium-scale SMP
: > (symmetric multi-processing), and, on top of this, they do many things very
: > very well - e.g. D1 realtime video boards *today* (NOBODY has this on NT
: > shipping yet),

: I believe Intergraph does.

Check your facts - I said today and shipping.  If you can point
something out that is available now by IG - who have some excellent
graphics cards btw - I would (honestly) be very interested.

The Sirius board has been about for a while now, and, yes, is hideously
overpriced, but it's the only thing there, which was my example point.

Play Inc. will be releasing something later this year with any luck, then
things will become interesting.


: >  good realtime texture mapping with large scenes where all
: > textures are not resident in texmem, remarkable memory bandwidth

: The Alpha chip communicates with RAM at 256 bits.

As posted by someone, this is not true either.  Incidentally - I have
both an Indy *and* an AlphaServer400 on my desk, and I use both
extensively.  My original point was that they each perform
`differently' under different conditions - for raw compute the Alpha
is faster.  For other typical use whilst developing, the Indy performs
better multi-tasking than my Alpha.


: >
: > > SGI  _CAN'T_ produce machines that are even remotely faster than what's
: > > available in the PC world.  They haven't for quite a long time now.
: >
: > This is plain not true... They own MIPS, whose R5000s, for example, perform
: > not badly at all.
: >
: "Not badly at all" is hardly a good thing considering it hasn't been released
: yet and that DEC has faster chips waiting in the wings too.

OK - at the high end, SGI produce machines today that surpass anything
in the PC world (with the exception of a few sites who are doing
massive distributed computing with high speed networks).  On the
desktop, in the low-to-mid range, their raw processor specs are not
really that competitive.  But - again, it's not all about raw
processor speed.

The R5000 does exist as a chip, which was what I was saying - as you say,
I don't believe they have a currently shipping w/station.

    =G/


: --
:                       -=Fred=-


--
~ Gordon Cameron    / software development  / [e-mail] ~
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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Joe Monahan) writes:
>
>In article <4neidm$[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail](William Teegarden) wrote:
>
>(Refering to me..)
>
>> Jeff, this guy's an idiot.  He obviously know almost NOTHING of how
CGI
>> is produced, his web page proves that. Don't waste your time with
him.
>>
>> The films he throws out with such reckless abandon where not "done
in
>> Alias".  Sure, Alias was probably used to built some of the geometry
>> for these productions, [clip]
>
>Call Alias, ask for a copy of their demo tape. Listen to the
interviews
>with the guy that did Batman, hear him talk explicitly about what
scenes
>they used Alias for - like all the action shots of Batman jumping off
the
>building, the cape flapping in the wind, watch the rest of the
>tape........eat your words.

But was it RENDERED in Alias?  Sure, the animation and modeling might
have been done in Alias, but the OUTPUT, which you're basing your
entire argument on, was more than likely produced in Renderman.  I read
a press release from PDI here that would seem to contradict this claim
of yours though, that Alias was used to do the shot.


>> He's not even using SGI Alias for that matter, but Alias Sketch,
which
>> is far from Poweranimator.
>
>Which I stated repeatedly. The web page was created to lay to rest
Jeff's
>bizarre claims that he could fake reflections/refractions in 3D Studio
as
>well as I could raytrace them with Alias Sketch!.
>


No, you said Alias Poweranimator.  I never once heard you say Alias
Sketch.  It wasn't until I visited your page that I discovered that you
aren't even using Poweranimator.  As for raytracing, LW can raytrace
just like Alias can, so what's your argument that it's no contest
against the two?  Fred has sent you an image to post, one that can run
rings around you and your workstation, like at a trailer park.  Is it
on your page yet?

GT



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In article <4nehjv$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](William Teegarden) wrote:
> In <[e-mail]> Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]> writes:

Actually, Joe Monahan said:

> >> I agree. I challenged all the loud mouths to a free web page demo
> where I
> >> would place their images next to others for all to compare. Suddenly
> all
> >> the "experts" shut up. The one image I did recieve was actually
> stolen off
> >> the web!

Then Jeff Jasper said:

> >I sent him the one image and I can prove that it was not stolen off
> the web.
> >I will send the scene data and the materials for anyone else to render
> the
> >scene with. Hell if I was going to steal a scene I wouldn't have used
> the one
> >I sent. It is a very basic scene with a few sphere (three crystal
> balls and a
> >light blue steel ball) a wood claw is holding one sphere, there is
> also a
> >bowl with a flame coming out of it using the free inferno plug-in from
> Kenetix
> >site. And there is an hourglassand three piece of paper with a custom
> photoshop
> >texture, the font is Monotype Sorts then I airbrushed it up to make it
> look like
> >parchment. If he actually puts it up you can take a gander and have a
> laugh. Things
> >I will point out that I screwed up in my scene, forgot to turn on
> reflection in the
> >wood and the flame is too high out of the bowl. I would be interested
> to find out
> >where I supposedly "stole" this picture from.


And now I'm replying:

Jeff, If you open the jpeg image you sent me with the application call
Jpeg View, you'll see a "Comment Box" menu item. Open the images comment
box and you'll find the following message: "U-Lead Systems, Inc." If you
then use your web browser to go to Lycos Search engine and search for the
company name you'll find tha U-Lead Systems web site is an on-line
electronic catalog. I can't get through to their web site, but it sure
seems curious that "your" image would have their name in it's comment box
- don't you think?


> >> I'm keeping all these posts to present to the Internet class I teach
> -a
> >> good lesson for them, and for me!
> >>
> >> Joe Monahan
> >
> >He also told me he taught 3D Studio. I am curious, where do you teach?

I teach 3D Studio for what its worth: A good introductory application - a
good intro to 3D modeling/animation. I would never waste my students time
teaching them the nearly worthless IPAS's. They're so unrealistic I see no
use in dwelling on them.

> >
> >Jeff
> >--
> >Sr. Programmer 3
> >Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
> >Emerging Technology Studio
>
Finally, (nearly) William T. added....
>
> I personally think this guy is around twelve years old.  I was
> considering putting an image up but after seeing his web page I quickly
> lost interest.  After all, if glass balls and wine glases are all he
> can muster from a program like Alias, then he is the one lacking in
> talent.

The application used was ALIAS SKETCH! - as the really big title on the
web page states. Its a $200 modeling application. Alias Power Animator is
something quite different! I think any one visiting the page would be
suprised to see such an inexpensive application match, or in my opinion,
surpass the rendering quality of 3D Studio-MAX)

As I explained repeatedly, the images were produced using simple geometry,
simple lighting and textures. The original question was wether Jeff Jasper
could "fake" reflections and refractions with 3D Studio. He stated that he
could, and that if I couldn't I should question my decision to work in the
field.

When I challenged him with a web page comparison, he couldn't find a copy
of 3D Studio to work on (he works in a multimedia lab at OSU!) and
couldn't use his own copy because he had sent the dongle in to get MAX. He
also didn't have any older images to send along because he had recently
reformatted his hard drive and apparently forgot to do any back-ups first!

When MAX arrived he spent 40 minutes with it and pumped out the image he
sent me for the web page. The whole point seemed mute since his assertion
was that he could fake reflections/refractions with 3D Studio - not MAX
(which has built in re/re...) But when I pointed this out to him he
claimed MAX is just an upgrade to 3D Studio - in effect *is* 3D Studio.
>
> It's funny how he hasn't responded to any of my posts.  I wonder what
> professional experience he has too.

I'm in the process of putting the images you sent me up on a page. But
these images were done in LightWave, right?

Joe Monahan

>
> GT
>

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From: Per Swantesson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Exploding Champaign bottle, HOW?
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I'm making an animation but can't find an explode-function. Please help
me with clues!

Regards,
Per Swantesson

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From: Steven Johansen <203.15.163.13>
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[e-mail] wrote:
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> I used ALIAS SKETCH! - a $200 modeling application. Thats why it says
>> ALIAS SKETCH! really big across the top of the web page. I can put up
>> stuff I've done in Alias Power Animator, but that isn't the point of this
>> page.

>I'd be _VERY_ interested in seeing your Power Animator stuff.  In fact, I
>CHALLENGE YOU!!!  What's wrong with comparing LW and Power animator just like
>you're comparing LW and Alias Sketch?
>--
>                      -=Fred=-
>

    I would suggest the following for you two gentlemen

    1)  You guys should take this horseshit to email

     or

    2)  You should seriously think about getting laid, instead of waving
    your peckers in the air like this.

  ummmm...(no offense)

   Steven


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From: [e-mail]. (Mack)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: 17 May 1996 13:48:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Steph Greenberg wrote:
>> In places like DD that are starting to use LW, it can only do good. The
>> competition between the traditional SGI people and the NT people will
>> expose LW users to features they didn't even know that they wanted, and
>> communication between them and Newtek should sharpen LW up quite a bit.
>
>Um.. What makes you think that LW users are oblivious to other programs' fe
>atures?  You make it
>sound like LightWave users live in their own little world and don't know of
> or use anything else.
> Is that true of Alias users?
>
>> --
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------
>> Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD                CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon,
>> [e-mail]                      Chiropracter, and Podiatrist.
>>
>> Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercia
>l
>> electronic republication only, such as Usenet and Email, and
>> non-commercial educational purposes such as charge free WWW pages.
>> Express permission is required for any other use. When in doubt, ask.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------
>
>--
>
>Bryant Reif
>mailto:[e-mail]
>http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant


no, and not all lw users, just the load mouths we here from on the newsgroups.
met plenty of lw users that use more than one package. there is no package out
there that does it all. alias come close, but  its a massive pig and the new
inferface is an improvement, but still slow unless you customize the hell out
of it. shelves are a neat idea, but sometimes it causes headaches to. this is
true of any software.


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From: [e-mail]. (Mack)
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: 17 May 1996 13:51:38 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>In article <4nbv9g$[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail](William Teegarden) wrote:
>
>> >I'll get another up with images I've done in Alias Power Anmator as
>> soon
>> >as I can. What do you bet Lightwave's don't come close?
>> >
>> >Member, we're not talking just about rendering anymore - YOU said
>> output -
>> >not rendering quality.
>> >
>>
>>
>> So are we talking modeling as well then here?  I'll bet I can model
>> ANYTHING you can make in Alias using LW, in the same or less amount of
>> time.
>
>Another easy bet to win....
>
>> As far as output goes, are you suggesting that animation is now part of
>> the equation?  Or possibly composition, compositing, etc?
>
>Why not? I can use incredibly realistic particle systems that are
>infinately variable to produce lava, tentacles, hair, bubbles, rocket
>thrusts, flames, smoke, steam, etc, etc; turn on forces (wind, drag,
>magnatism, etc) from lights, emit particles from lights, adjust the
>friction of a shader so that it behaves differently when animated with
>collision detection, put clouds and water in the environment shaders and
>animate their motion, color, density; Use shaders on lights, paint
>displacemnet maps on the geometry, distort the geometry with
>photoshop-like tools then composit the whole thing with sound synched
>audio, add special effects and input 64 channel sound from our
>synthesizers, drum machines, etc. Then apply warp fields to make material
>flap in the wind or deform in dozens of different ways as it passes
>through space. Then I can add turbulance to the air/water to produce
>random displacement of particles, etc. I can gather clusters of CV's (edit
>points or vertices) attatch them to lines that then deform the geometry
>like a puppeteer might.
>
>Just watch Batman, The Mask, Twister, True Lies, etc, etc and ask your
>self whether Lightwave can do it as well - given ANY level of experience.
>
>From what I've seen of Lightwave, I like it - its far superiour to 3D
>Studio for example. I'm planning on purchasing it as soon as it becomes
>available for the Power Mac - But I'll never be silly enough to claim I
>can do in LightWave what I can do in Alias Power Animator - let alone Maya
>- due out this fall.
>
>
>> Also, for some reason, when I try and access your page, it crashes my
>> net browser?  Is this a problem with the page, or am I just using
>> terrible software?  Anyone else have this problem?
>
>I've accessed it repeatedly from home and from school via some pretty lame
>Windoze machines with no problem. Let me know if you continue to have
>problems. Their are no Java scripts, etc on the page.
>
>The address again is:  http://www.netzone.com/~jmonahan/sketch.html
>
>Your contributions are welcome......This whole web page could turn into a
>useful info/demo site rather then the petty bickering thing it is now.
>
>Joe Monahan
>>
>> GT
true. i'd love to here some input from out buddy's from the big animation
houses on the group here give tips to inexperienced users.
rather see contructive use made out of the newsgroups than seeing space wasted
on ego based flames.
recommend the tools that make your life easier.


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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: caterpillar tracks anyone?
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In article <4negpk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Terry Hill) writes:
> In message <[e-mail]>
>         Wooly Mittens <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> > We're (me 'n the lads) making a game. but I need
> > little tanks with catterpillar tracks as rendered sprites.
> > I want the tracks to move too, but I'm baffled.
>
> > I think an animated bumpmap is both lame and effective.
>
> > Wooly Mittens.
>
> Wooly Mittens?
>
> Take a shuftie at http://www.islandnet.com/~dretch/home.html
>
> It`s the url for `primordial soup` (a great LW web page).  Log in
> and have a look in the Lightwave 3d techniques search engine.  Pull
> down the page and you`ll find a good solution - i`ve used it myself
> and it worked excellently.  BTW - something not mentioned in the tip
> is that you need to center your link along the path, or i`tll skew,
> and use enough links to make a realistic tread.

Note too that looking at real tracks on a real tank/APC/bulldozer really
helps too. It never ceases to amaze me at how many tank models there are out
there that have mechanically impossible tracks.

Tracks are made of 2 parts, the track pad, and end connectors. Each track pad
in a metal plate with 4 pins on it (2 per side), a rubber block on the
underside, and a pin sticking out of the top. The end connectors bolt onto
the side pins, 2 at each end. The drive sprocket teeth meshes with the
outside of the track pads and the end connectors.

        Top
    |-|      |-|  |-|
    | |     [========] End Connector
    | |______| |  | |______
    |          |  |
    |    []    |  |    []   Track pad
    | _______  |  | _______
    | |      | |  | |
    | |     [========]
    |-|      |-|  |-|

                ^^
       Gear tooth fits here


--------------------------
Dennis Grant
[e-mail]
http://www.cycor.ca/TCave/

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Looking For High End Graphics Card
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:53:20 -0500
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Daniel Lim wrote:
>
> Hi! Right now I am sourcing for a high end graphics
> card and I appreciate very much if somebody can
> supply me some info.
>
> Below are the card's specifications:
>
> Bus :           PCI local bus
>
> Resolution :    1280 X 1024 @ 60 Hz
>
> Configuration : 8-bit plane overlay
>                 (multi-planes, if possible)
>                 16MB off-screen memory
> Cursor :        64 X 64 bit mapped hardware cursor
>
> Operating :     X Windows R6 with Solaris 2.4
> System          X Windows R6 with SCO Unix RT OS
>
> Please reply to the following e-mail address
>
> [e-mail]
>
> Thanks alot!!!!
> Wai Chong

Check out the GLyder from Symmetric (www.symmetric.com)... if this card
doesn't have what you want, I don't know if anything will.

Nate

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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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> >like all the action shots of Batman jumping off the
> >building, the cape flapping in the wind, watch the rest of the
> >tape........eat your words.
> >> He's not even using SGI Alias for that matter, but Alias Sketch,
> which is far from Poweranimator.

    Get your facts straight. The scene in batman forever where he jumps of the building weas done in SoftImage.
(Probably modelled in Alias; I don't know). I have the scene-file here on my machine given to me by a friendly MS rep. As
far as alias sketch goes: LightWave will eat that package for breakfast. Sorry to the happy guy promoting it; but there is
no comparison. What I do have to admit: Alias (Full version!) will beat just about any animatiojn package on the market as
far as features go. It really has lots of neat stuff! Instead of flaming it try to get some time (not an hour; at least a
few weeks) on someone's workstation. I've done that when a friend of mine went on vacation and I was asked to
hous(computer?)-sit. It is a fabulous package. However when I had to recommend software here at my work Bang for Buck
started playing a role and I choose to use softimage with the extreme pack (particles; mental ray). At home where I feel
the financial pressure of house-payments a wife and a child breathing down my neck I use Lightwave. There is very little I
can do in any of the High-end packages I can not do in LW. Sometime it takes workarounds etc... BUT All in all I consider
it the best <$8000 package on the market. I have never traditionnally liked 3Ds. MAX looks pretty neat now besides what
people in this group have been saying it is a very good all-around package for animating and it finnally has a normal
interface. However now that I have LW 5.0. I'm not switching. It does more than enough and probably will do more than
enough for the next few years (months?) to keep me busy.
    BTW:MetaNurbs is AWESOME! I modelled a humanoid in 4 hours! I still haven't found the damn plug-in pcblob.p for
metaballs. Guess I'll have to go through NewTek support. (I hate being on hold for hours!)

    Hajo

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Joe Monahan wrote:

> Jeff, If you open the jpeg image you sent me with the application call
> Jpeg View, you'll see a "Comment Box" menu item. Open the images comment
> box and you'll find the following message: "U-Lead Systems, Inc." If you
> then use your web browser to go to Lycos Search engine and search for the
> company name you'll find tha U-Lead Systems web site is an on-line
> electronic catalog. I can't get through to their web site, but it sure
> seems curious that "your" image would have their name in it's comment box
> - don't you think?

    Okay smarty-pants! I've stayed out of this for quite a while but now your idiocy has gone too
far! You are an insult too the intelligence of the people reading this mailing list. For your
information: U-Lead systems is the software comapny which makes photoimapct, imagepals, mediastudio pro
and morphstudio. All very good products although out of the range of your beloved SGI software! Now if
you save a JPEG in any of these programsd The tag in the JPEG header will identify it as U-Lead systems
Inc. The reason is that Jpeg used to be a much "non-stanbdardized" standard. This way vendors could
identify which app compressed the image. (Hi-Jaak uses this). So mr Smarty-pants graphic guru: There you
have it! Good luck necxt time you go on a treasure hunt. (I guess you will then be able to claime that my
pictures were stolen from Adobe!)
    BTW: I don't know Jeff Jasper or you or anyone else on this list for that matter. So don't think
I'm taking sides for a "buddy". Absolute idiocy does tend to tick me off. Next time go to alt.atheism and
try to convince those people of "creationism". Lots more fun for you and you'll leave us alone.

    Hajo

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Imagine [REVIEW]
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In article <4n7d36$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dennis Grant) wrote:
>A very long time ago, I had a bare-bones Amiga 2000, and a pirated version of
>Sculpt4D. I was churning out glass tori and chrome balls floating over red
>checkerboard ground planes as fast as 1Mb and an 8Mhz 68000 would let me.
>
>Then I went to a computer trade show in Montreal, and saw someone demo-ing
>Imagine 1.0, and I was hooked. Bought it there at the show.
>
>Since then, I have upgraded right along to Imagine 4.0. I am, I suppose, an
>Imagine guru of some sort, and was doing, IMHO, some pretty nice work with
>it.
>
>Then a friend of mine put an, uhh, "evaluation" version of LW into me grubby
>little hands, and a week later, I bought a legit version. I haven't touched
>Imagine since.
>
>My reasons for switching may help illuminate some of the various arguments in
>the ongoing platform wars.
>
>Firstly, pound for pound, feature for feature, Imagine beats all holy hell
>out of LW. (with one exception, I'll get to that later) With Imagine, you get
>tons of procedural textures, easier surfacing, much better image map handling
>(interactive placement and scaling of maps) state tracking, better font
>handling, object grouping, much better object previewing yadda, yadda, yadda.
>
>So then, why did I switch, if Imagine is so great?
>
>The bottom line was that LW, although it has less features, does the ones it
>has *so well* that it's far easier and faster to get results. I can do in an
>hour with LW what would have taken me a whole day with Imagine - and time is
>money.
>
>A perfect example is boolean operations. Stuff that would drive Imagine's
>Slice command bonkers is a 3 second wait in LW. The ability to do fast
>boolean operations *alone* sold me on LW.
>
>Even better, LW's layout editor is *so* much more intuitive and faster to use
>than Imagine's, that I literally save hours of work. Not to mention faster
>rendering speed...
>
>So, to sum up, it's not enough to compare feature lists. You actually have to
>work with a given program to see how well it fits into your way of working,
>and all this "Max vs LW" stuff, most of it based solely on comparing
>brochures, is a bunch of hooey.
>
--------------------------
>Dennis Grant
>[e-mail]
>http://www.cycor.ca/TCave/

I don't usually like to post "me too" replies, but Dennis put this so
succinctly that I'm moved to respond. I've been through exactly the same path.
I even loaded Imagine 3.1 off that Pommy magazine CD the other day and had
trouble remembering how to navigate. (OK it was on a PC instead of my trusty
old 4000).

Ease of use is worth a fortune in my opinion. A lesson the writers of Real3D
should learn. A brilliant, unusable package. (Boy, did open a can of worms
there :-)

My .000245 roubles worth.

Cheers

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Kevin Gleeson
Imagine It
3D animation and graphics
Hobart
Tasmania
Australia

The Librarian Rules! - OOOK!
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: WAREZ LW5
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In article <4nh6rn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (GoDz9000) wrote:
>DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CRACKED COPY OF LW5 THEY WANT TO SEND ME ???
>------------------- * NOW YOU FACE * ---------------------
>   __        __             __     _     _      _
> /     __   |  \   ___     /  |   / \   / \    / \   | |
>/     |  |  |   |   _/     \_ /  /   \ /   \  /   \  | |
>|__|  |__|  |__/   /___    __/   \___/ \___/  \___/  o o
>----------------------------------------------------------
>BABYLON5/SAAB/STTNG/VOYAGER/DS9/XFILES/VR5/FULLHOUSE!!!!!!
>"I must search for the Eye" - Garibaldi.  - * -
> - * -                  "Arrrghhhh!" - Sheridan.
>"Watch your warez" - Marcus.   - * -
>----------------------------------------------------------
>           --- * THE GODZ IS WATCHING YOU * ---
>

What does GODZ stand for?

God OI'm a Dickhead Zometimes?

No - can't be - you're a dickhead all the time.

FOQ

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Imagine It
3D animation and graphics
Hobart
Tasmania
Australia

The Librarian Rules! - OOOK!
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Do not send your pictures to Joe Monahan!
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:51:51 -0700
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Whoever has to use nasty names first loses! (Just made up a new rule!)

Look you guys - this thing was never very interesting and has become a
real bore - lets just drop it, kay?

The web site started as a place for Jeff Jasper to prove his claims that
he could "fake" raytracing in 3D Studio. He suggested that if I didn't
know how to do so I should re-evaluate my career choice. So I put up 3
images rendered in ALIAS SKETCH! - a $200 modeling application for the Mac
- that he was to imitate with 3DStudio.

I kept the geometry, lighting, textures very simple so he couldn't use
that as an excuse. So he takes a look at the web page and says - uh, geez
- I sent in my dongle to get MAX so I can't send you anything....I told
thats OK, you can send me something you've already completed. But turns
out he just re-formatted his hard drive and wiped all his images away -
darn the luck!

And besides - His .sig states that he is a Sr. programmer at OSU! Surley
he can get a hold of a machine with 3D Studio on it.....But then I checked
via the internet. He's not a Sr. programmer as his .sig states - he's an
undergraduate student!

I mentioned this to him but he had a good excuse - Thats what it says on
his pay stub - so what the heck, why not use it as part of his official
.sig? Certainly no attempt to mislead there - not at all!

So he gets MAX.....(god this story is starting to bore ME, I would suggest
finding something worthwhile to do - stop reading now, feed the cat - DO
SOMETHING WORTHWHILE!)...and sends me an image after having MAX for just
40 minutes - trouble is when I check the comment box with JPEG View it
says: U-Lead Systems, Inc....Why oh why I query....He doesn't know. Maybe
he just used an application to open the Comment Box of A Jpeg image and
typed in U-Lead Systems, Inc - just on a whim......

On top of it all the picture looked pretty bad. Better than 3DS - but
then, what wouldn't?

Since then I've been accused of everything from beastiality (not really)
to being a bad speller! (really).

Some people thought I used Alias Power Animator to model the simple images
on the SKETCH! web page...they weren't and I never stated that they were.
I like Power Animator and will put images up that I've done with it when I
feel they warrant it. But that was never the intention of the little web
page I slapped together for this fiasco.

Anyway - the whole thing has become silly. When I think of what I might
have done rather then take the time and energy to respond to internet
stupidity I cringe. I will use the whole thread to instuct the students in
my internet classes the potential folly of this medium of
communication.I'm sorry I ever got embroiled in it. And I'm sorry for
anyone I bored to tears going on about it!

I won't reply to any other messages except to re-post this long message -
which I will do to any further misinterpretation of my original intent.

The web page is still up and the images I have recieved will be added to
it as soon as I get to it -

Joe Monahan


In article <4nfjk5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(VirtualBri) wrote:

> > I have asked him numerous times which school
> >he teaches at and he has yet to tell me,
>
> Best that I can tell, Joe "teaches" for the CAD Institute, an
> Arizona Trade School which claims to be a large Autodesk
> training facility.
>
> But I'll second not bothering with him.  He's an irrational crank
> who is just trying to play by his own rules, and then claim
> victory.
> --Brian
> ========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
> == Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
> =============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> will notice it says Sr. Programmer. And yes I am an undergrad. I am in
my senior
> year at OSU and am the only undergraduate animation major here.
> Jeff

Oh, I get it now! You a senior AND your a programmer! Thats were you get the:

"Sr. Programmer" title in your .sig...

Well thats honest......I guess......


Joe Monahan
First Man to Walk on the Moon
(In my dreams)

> Sr. Programmer 3
> Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
> Emerging Technology Studio

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In article <4nb8nr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail](bia) wrote:
>
>
>>> The reason MS has a de-facto monopoly is because people want to go
>>>with something that is widespread and common. Going with the crowd on
>>>an OS is what makes people comfortable with all these different
>>>brands and configurations of computers, and the pre-loaded OS makes
>>>them feel that they can just plug in the computer and start it up.
>_______________________________________________________________________
>
>
>I have to keep Win3.1, Win95, and WinNT stocked on my machine.
>It's less about "personal choice" than it is because of because of
>driver soup. (no PARDRV on Win95 for instance, thanks DPS)
>
>Is there anybody out there bitching about the fact that the "monopoly"
>standard for renting a video is VHS? "maybe I WANT betamax?".
>
>I think that the idea of microsoft as big-daddy or piggy-piggy is what
>scratches the iconoclast in all of us. Its instinctive. It erupts from
>suppressed memories of throwing eggs at nice cars on mischief nite as a
>restless and undervalued twelve year old. Why lay on this
>masses-are-sheep-going-with-the-crowd trip. I caught a whiff of Ayn
>Rand and Rush lyrics. I have friends who are Evangelists and
>Overclockers with very strong views on OS superiority (programmers and
>network-guys), but they dont have to make a living doing animation.
>
>
>If Photoshop ran fastest on an OS written by BurgerKing, then i'd be
>first in line. Whaler NT or whatever.
>
>
>bianco

Precisely.

I don't like monopolies any more than the next person, but how about if the
car manufacturers started making cars that ran on different fuels for each
manufacturer? A Toyota runs on Petrol but a Honda runs on Kerosine and a
Porsche runs on aviation fuel. Wouldn't that be fun?

I've defended the Amiga since I bought one in 1985 but I now find it hard to
beat the sheer force of software being written for the PC/Windows/NT/Alpha
environment.

I cringe when I have to try and resolve IRQ conflicts and weep when I think
what the Amiga OS could have become without Commodore, but SHIT HAPPENS.

I'll work with whatever the software writers want work with. An OS is not the
be-all and end-all - it is after all just the launch platform for the software
you are using. Just look at Lightwave - once it's running, there is stuff-all
difference between the PC version and the Amiga version (OK smartarse -
speed).

Cheers

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Kevin Gleeson
Imagine It
3D animation and graphics
Hobart
Tasmania
Australia

The Librarian Rules! - OOOK!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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> If you can get the Amiga a network card and put one in your PC, My PC
> one was only 29 bux. You can reliably  link the two with Win 95 and
> Amiga shareware! I have PAR, Workbench and A Data: mounted as E: F:
> and G: on my PC's explorer. Quick, almost painless, the hardest part
> was making an IRQ available in the PC

Hmm, as I recall the hard part is finding an extra £300 for the AMiga
network card.

:?)


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Just curious, does anyone out there know of a way to do a shrink wrap around
an object? What I would like to be able to do, (just for fun), is to see if
while you are in Modelor, you could shrink wrap one object from one layer
around another object in another layer? Actually, I really would like to know
if this could be done for the purpose of making some great morph targets.
Anyway, thanx for any kind of sugestions on this......md :)

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Add the plugins:
AddMBall.p
LWpanels.p
Metaball.p

you should be all set to go after that!

Henri Smulders <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Just received LW 5.0. In order to use metaballs I should
>apparently install the file pcblob.p as well as addmball.p
>Problem is I can not find the file pcblob.p anywhere on my CD! I also
>can't find the file man.bal anywhere.
>    BTW: docs on metaballs suck: less than a page in the reference
>manual without illustration. (I switched from Imagine to LW because of
>crap like that. LW always had good docs and now with one of the major
>releases they are majorly slacking!). So if anyone has already played
>with it let us know some tips! (F.ex.: can you animate the blobs?)

>    Hajo



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Geez, It is easy to simulate glass without raytracing... admit it looks
better with raytracing..but heck use scanline, no tracd reflections and
use a reflection map that has been distorted with some image processing
program..of course do not use spherical mapping..instead place the glass
inside a cone with rounded tops and bottoms..map the reflection map
cylindrically around the cylinder and spherically on the top and bottom
of the 'virtual capsule'...be sure to make the glass a solid 3d object
and not some weak flatt 3d object...

Waaalaaaaazzzahhhmmmm....Have fun with it boyz. But some berrin there for
me :)

Adam Chrystie
Willing and able 3d slave!
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Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator
Cinema/Video Major, Senior
University Of California at Santa Cruz

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) writes:

>
>There are software support issues as well, but I am not up to speed on
them.
>
>Both devices are either good or excellent at putting animations out to
video.
>
>They each have some limited editing capabilities.
>
>Bottom line, is that unless you have a very special reason - get the PVR.
>
>

What kind of $$$ difference is there between the two?


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 I DID stop into your
>page.
>I don't think you have a lot of room for criticism in this regard.

I don't have a web page!  I'd be curious who's paqe you did look at
though.


>
>> I saw your images today from the browser at work.  Although they are
>> "nice" they certainly aren't anything that hasn't been done a
million
>> times already.
>They were not meant to bo original in any way. They were meant to
present
>examples of raytraced images. Kept simple deliberatly.

Well, you said that modeling and composition and lighting where now
going to be part of the consideration.  Now you're back pedaling on
this one.  So what is going to be?  Simplistic scenes to show off
traced reflections and refraction?  Geez, I could just render the
benchmark scenes that come on LW cdrom.  They're boring as hell to look
at, but they have all those properties.  Or is modeling and lighting
going to be a factor as well, as you stated in your previous post?


>
>>
>> Your lighting is simplistic, models unchallenging to create,
especially
>> with such a powerful program as Alias.  I would think that you would
>> have at the very least made something that would show off NURBS
>> modeling rather than simple extrusions and lathes.
I used ALIAS SKETCH! - a $200 modeling application. Thats why it says
>ALIAS SKETCH! really big across the top of the web page. I can put up
>stuff I've done in Alias Power Animator, but that isn't the point of
this
>page.
>


Now you're saying Alias Sketch.  Before you mentioned nothing about it.
All you said before was Alias.  Usually, when people say Alias, they
mean the SGI version.  So the purpose of this page is to try and
compare your lame Alias Sketch images with those of 3DS?  Why waste our
time with these, and instead put up the good stuff done with
Poweranimator?  As an artist, one usually shows their best work, so
what's the problem here?


GT



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From: [e-mail] (Jason Linhart)
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cjtsui <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Just played with it this afternoon....GOOD GOD WHAT A MACHINE!!!

>Unbelievably fast GL acceleration and it was a dream to model in!

>of course the machine I played with was 36,000.00 so that explains a
>lot, still, a better deal then an SGI (there are actually a lot of
>programs for Windows! :)

>later
>Josh Tsui

The system for $36,000 is probably one of their StudioZ machines with
the built-in D1 video option.

I've been using a pentium pro 150MHZ based Intergraph TDZ 300 system.
I think the price is somewhere between $10 - $15K depending on
options.  I would have to say that the OpenGL response is the best of
any system that I have sat in front of.(So good it will make most
verteran LW'ers cry!)  The real-time response of adjusting lighting,
bones and most other things in Layout and Modeler is something that I
have wished for since the early days of LightWave.
Overall, It's a great system.

I wish I could take the graphics speed of this system and stick it on
top of the render power of the 500Mhz Alpha that Deskstation was
showing at NAB (another system that makes verteran LW'ers
cry!)............Oh yeah, ScreamerNet would work!  Thank  *
(Insert appropriate higher spiritual being) for network rendering!

Jason Linhart


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>>
>Finally, (nearly) William T. added....
>>
>> I personally think this guy is around twelve years old.  I was
>> considering putting an image up but after seeing his web page I
quickly
>> lost interest.  After all, if glass balls and wine glases are all he
>> can muster from a program like Alias, then he is the one lacking in
>> talent.
>
>The application used was ALIAS SKETCH! - as the really big title on
the
>web page states. Its a $200 modeling application. Alias Power Animator
is
>something quite different! I think any one visiting the page would be
>suprised to see such an inexpensive application match, or in my
opinion,
>surpass the rendering quality of 3D Studio-MAX)


I wasn't surprised at what I say at all.  Well, a little surprised.  I
was hoping for something much better.



>
>I'm in the process of putting the images you sent me up on a page. But
>these images were done in LightWave, right?
>


If it's the image Fred sent you, then yes. I haven't sent you anything.


GT



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On 5/17/96 4:57AM, in message <4nhf0v$[e-mail]>, Chewie8625
<[e-mail]> wrote:

    > I know where to get one for a preaty good price and was wondering if
    > anyone has had any experience with them and lightwave. My main question is
    > how does it compare to Wacom's art-z 2? Thanks for any input. (On a
    > sidenote...does anyone know if it can also be used on a Mac also with the
    > proper driver software?)
    > Anyone need a janitor?

 I purchased two Calcomp DrawingSlateII 12x12 and recommend that if you can
afford it buy a Wacom. Not that Calcomp does not perform well just that I find
it's construction to be sub par and driver support not very good. I purchased
them because I needed two DB and they where priced competitively. If I could I
would have purchased a Wacom but I needed the extra money for some other
things(LW was one of them). The drawing pressure pen works nice but I thinks
it's a little to sensitive and the 16-button cursor buttons are well spaced and
laid out but they have poor button feedback when you click on them so you
sometimes miss a click. They both broke down after about 7 months (button
#0-Left Mouse button). I have gotten use to all these thing by now though.
I also have an (old) KURTA IS/ONE 12x12 which I really liked(great quality
construction) but does not support pressure pen and is bulky compared to the
Calcomp.

 Please remember that these are only my experience and feelings and I'm sure
there are many others that will disagree since Digitizers feel different to
everyone. You should try them out if you can to see which one you like.

Good Luck!
--
Giorgio E. A.
[e-mail]


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> And now I'm replying:
>
> Jeff, If you open the jpeg image you sent me with the application call
> Jpeg View, you'll see a "Comment Box" menu item. Open the images comment
> box and you'll find the following message: "U-Lead Systems, Inc." If you
> then use your web browser to go to Lycos Search engine and search for the
> company name you'll find tha U-Lead Systems web site is an on-line
> electronic catalog. I can't get through to their web site, but it sure
> seems curious that "your" image would have their name in it's comment box
> - don't you think?

U-Lead is part of Photoshop, Photostyler, and they even make their own software Media
Studio Pro, Morph Studio, and Photo Impact, and any other picture viewing editing
application that has plug-in effects capabilities. To add plug-ins to photo editing
software you edit the ulead.ini file. The program I used to resize the image I sent you
was Photstyler 2.0 which uses the Ulead ini file, hence U-Lead Systems, Inc. in the
comment box.

> I teach 3D Studio for what its worth: A good introductory application - a
> good intro to 3D modeling/animation. I would never waste my students time
> teaching them the nearly worthless IPAS's. They're so unrealistic I see no
> use in dwelling on them.

You like modeling in NURBS so much don't you? Well 3D Studio has a full NURBS
modeling plug-in for both 3DSr4 and MAX. It also has some of the most powerful
Metaball modeling and animation plug-ins. Not to mention the new ones like character
studio (which was copied for Softimage 3.5) and Sand Blaster(Give Alias particles a run
for their money).

> The application used was ALIAS SKETCH! - as the really big title on the
> web page states. Its a $200 modeling application. Alias Power Animator is
> something quite different! I think any one visiting the page would be
> suprised to see such an inexpensive application match, or in my opinion,
> surpass the rendering quality of 3D Studio-MAX)

It was obvious that it wasn't Alias, and none of those pictures surpass the quality
of any MAX pictures I have seen so far. Mine was pretty crappy itself but at least my
wood looked like wood. I also didn't have strange reflections and shadows like
the one behind the textured glass vase.

> As I explained repeatedly, the images were produced using simple geometry,
> simple lighting and textures. The original question was wether Jeff Jasper
> could "fake" reflections and refractions with 3D Studio. He stated that he
> could, and that if I couldn't I should question my decision to work in the
> field.

And I did. And as a teacher of 3D Studio you should be able to too.

> When I challenged him with a web page comparison, he couldn't find a copy
> of 3D Studio to work on (he works in a multimedia lab at OSU!) and
> couldn't use his own copy because he had sent the dongle in to get MAX. He
> also didn't have any older images to send along because he had recently
> reformatted his hard drive and apparently forgot to do any back-ups first!

God we went through this a thousand times already. Yes I work at ACCAD, there isn't
a single PC there it is all Mac, Sun, SGI, and HP. The HPs and Suns are used for
programming, the Macs are used for video, CD-ROM authoring, scanning, etc. And the
SGIs(gratiously donated to us by ILM) have Alias PA, Wavefront, Renderman, TIMM, and
AL(the last two are in-house software). The only 3D Studio machines we have are in the
design department, and since I am not a design student, I  don't get to use them. When a
student(no one else but students :() upgrades from 3DSr3 or r4 they have to send in
their old dongle to get MAX. William Teegarden (GT) and I had this same debate a while
back, and I sent him images done in 3DSr4 so he knows that I have done it before. Well
you try backing up a 1.6Gig HD to a floppy. At the time I didn't think NT would
overwrite all my data. I learned my lesson and have since purchased a ZIP drive.

> When MAX arrived he spent 40 minutes with it and pumped out the image he
> sent me for the web page. The whole point seemed mute since his assertion
> was that he could fake reflections/refractions with 3D Studio - not MAX
> (which has built in re/re...) But when I pointed this out to him he
> claimed MAX is just an upgrade to 3D Studio - in effect *is* 3D Studio.

Like I said William and I did this a while back too. I was using 3DSr4 at the time.
Doing reflections in 3D Studio is cake, refractions are a little tougher but still
fairly easy, MAX just makes it even easier. MAX is 3D Studio, just instead of being
called 3D Studio r5 it is called 3D Studio MAX. When Lightwave came to the PC and
added new features it was still Lightwave.

Jeff
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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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> >Until Imagine for Windows comes my way I will stick with Lightwave.
>
> I believe Imagine ver. 4 (win3.x,95,nt) is infact out on the shelves! It's
> priced at $990, and has been advertised in the mag 3D Artist by:

Imagine 4 for DOS is out. I don't think the Windows version is out yet. Their
web page is http://www.coolfun.com to check it out.

Jeff
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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: 17 May 1996 18:28:29 GMT
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[e-mail] (Joe Monahan) writes:

>I know it displays my incompetence but it was kinda fun....


Pretty much describes this whole thread, methinks.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Imagine [REVIEW]
Date: 17 May 1996 18:34:29 GMT
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I've been reevaluating Imagine as I've been getting back into 3D
animation.

I have come to the conclusion that more than anything else, one
word describes Imagine: HACK. Its a big, lame hack. The metaballs
feature is a useless hack. The deformations are pretty much a hack,
the spline editor is a bigtime hack. The program still looks like
when it was released like 7 years ago, they've just piled routines
on top of it. Very very inelegant. Lightwave feels much better.
In any case, for $200, Imagine is an absolute steal, and even experienced
animators should keep it. It can generate incredible animated texture
maps, its output is nice, and it really does do some things well.
--
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http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY.


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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Do not send your pictures to Joe Monahan!
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:02:25 -0400
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> The web site started as a place for Jeff Jasper to prove his claims that
> he could "fake" raytracing in 3D Studio. He suggested that if I didn't
> know how to do so I should re-evaluate my career choice. So I put up 3
> images rendered in ALIAS SKETCH! - a $200 modeling application for the Mac
> - that he was to imitate with 3DStudio.

And I did "fake" it. Well you do teach 3D Studio, if I can do it as a student,
I would expect my teacher to know how to also.

> I kept the geometry, lighting, textures very simple so he couldn't use
> that as an excuse. So he takes a look at the web page and says - uh, geez
> - I sent in my dongle to get MAX so I can't send you anything....I told
> thats OK, you can send me something you've already completed. But turns
> out he just re-formatted his hard drive and wiped all his images away -
> darn the luck!

No you publicly and privately flamed me for not have my dongle at the time.
And upgrading to NT reformatted my whole drive to NTFS when I was trying to
save my DOS 3D Studio partition. Having only I floppy drive at the time for
backup, I wasn't going to back up a 1.6Gig drive to it.

> And besides - His .sig states that he is a Sr. programmer at OSU! Surley
> he can get a hold of a machine with 3D Studio on it.....But then I checked
> via the internet. He's not a Sr. programmer as his .sig states - he's an
> undergraduate student!

Since it is my job title, why not use it. The job title really has nothing to
do with anything anyway. I help run a Mutimedia lab called the ETS or emerging
technology studio at ACCAD. ACCAD is a grad only facility which gets generous
money and hardware software donations from ILM, Disney, and SGI/Alias/Wavefront.
It is part of Ohio States graduate graphics program. I am the only undergraduate
animation major at Ohio State. But I am not the only undergrad to work at ACCAD,
and they all have the same job title as I do.

> I mentioned this to him but he had a good excuse - Thats what it says on
> his pay stub - so what the heck, why not use it as part of his official
> ..sig? Certainly no attempt to mislead there - not at all!

Why not, it is my job title. Would you like me to use something else? Like
"Sr. or Student Programmer who is an undergraduate student"?

> So he gets MAX.....(god this story is starting to bore ME, I would suggest
> finding something worthwhile to do - stop reading now, feed the cat - DO
> SOMETHING WORTHWHILE!)...and sends me an image after having MAX for just
> 40 minutes - trouble is when I check the comment box with JPEG View it
> says: U-Lead Systems, Inc....Why oh why I query....He doesn't know. Maybe
> he just used an application to open the Comment Box of A Jpeg image and
> typed in U-Lead Systems, Inc - just on a whim......

No but the ulead.ini that is part of Photostyler and MANY other photo editing
programs including U-Leads own software does add it. You should do your research
before accusing someone publicly that they have stolen a picture. I could have
solved this a LONG time ago when I kept on asking you where you thought I stole
it from. That is slander, and I could sue you for it since some of these people
could be a future employer of mine. But that would be silly since it was just a
stupid mistake.

> On top of it all the picture looked pretty bad. Better than 3DS - but
> then, what wouldn't?

As opposed to your wonderful pictures?

> Anyway - the whole thing has become silly. When I think of what I might
> have done rather then take the time and energy to respond to internet
> stupidity I cringe. I will use the whole thread to instuct the students in
> my internet classes the potential folly of this medium of
> communication.I'm sorry I ever got embroiled in it. And I'm sorry for
> anyone I bored to tears going on about it!

Yeah, it shows them the folly of someone coming into a newsgroup telling everyone
that they can't do anything decent unless they use Alias (Throwing the whole talent
thing out the window), falsly accusing people of stealing pictures, flaming everyone,
and in general acting like a complete newbie from hell. I hope they learned how not
to act on the Internet from you.

> The web page is still up and the images I have recieved will be added to
> it as soon as I get to it -

I'll save you the effort.

Jeff
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From: "Frank D. Cocke" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Sparks & LW 5.0
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:00:49 -0500
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I wrote:
>
> Is anyone having trouble with Sparks with LW 5.0. I just got
> LW 5.0 and I ordered sparks for an animation I am working on.
> The sample scene files from Sparks load and it shows the plug-in
> loaded but there are no values in the imput boxes.
>   With the scene that I'm working on, when I save the scene then
> reload it it's the same, no imput in the fields except for the
> starting frame. The surface-shader plug-in seems to work fine.
>   Also, when I reload the scene my camera, which is stationary,
> is now in a different position.
>   Metrografx doesn't seem to have a web site that I can find so
> I'm going to give them a call. Will let the group know what I
> find out.
>
> Frank
>
> --
>

Well I talked to Metrografx and they told me that at the last moment
Newtek change the way LW saves the scene and that they now have a fix that
they will be shipping out to users. By the way I finished my animation
and the program is great.

Frank
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The Lightray Factory, 3D animation & Graphics
E-mail to [e-mail]
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Basic picture sent to show Joe that 3DS could do relections and refractions.
Point out all the mistakes that you want, I can pick out a few already. Remember
this is the first picture I did in MAX, before reading the manuals or doing
tutorials. Took about 40 minutes to model and a little over 5 minutes to render
on a Pentium 75 with 48Megs of RAM at 640x480. Here is a smaller version of the
picture...


Jeff
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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Do not send your pictures to Joe Monahan!
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:21:10 -0400
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Jeff Jasper wrote:
>
> Basic picture sent to show Joe that 3DS could do relections and refractions.Some things to note: I screwed up my map bias settings, the papaer overlaps
each other on the same plane making them look weird. I forgot to add reflection
and noise to the wood. Sorry about the spheres :) but this is my first picture
done after recieving MAX in the mail. You, tell me does it prove that 3DS can
do reflections and reffractions, or at least fake them enough to be passable?

Jeff
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Student Programmer 3(change is for somebody who was confused)
Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Emerging Technology Studio

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
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Subject: Re: Do not send your pictures to Joe Monahan!
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 05:19:27 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Joe Monahan) wrote:

blah, blah, blah - god I'm boring....You realize I could be road hunting
for interesting species of snakes right now? I found two Mojave's last
weekend - beautiful little beasts....and now its already dawn.....shit.

Anyway, the web page is at:

http://www.netzone.com/~jmonahan/home.html

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: VT/Windows in Indiana?
Date: 17 May 1996 15:35:03 -0400
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You guys have been working on this thing for a really long time, and now
you're
starting all over again? Something is really wrong with this picture
-=-----------------------------------------------------------------

We used to defend this at NewTek by saying things like - 'This is why the
Toaster was great; it was redesigned a number of times and that's why it's
so darn good!' That was the marketing line, and it came from Tim.

Then, I learned that this happens with every project, because Tim wants to
get his fingers into a project at every stage. This is one of the reasons
that so many key engineering employees have left. Pray that Tim doesn't
become interested in 3D programming or LW 6.0 will be out in 2032.

Here's the truth - when NewTek showed the 'Toaster For Windows' last year,
it was a thrown-together-in-a-few-weeks product. It was - by Tim's own
words - a 'smoke and mirrors' type demo. The techincal problems (such as
how to do effects or CG or paint on the PC) hadn't been worked out. The
official NewTek answer was 'Ummm....LightWave will do it', but they was NO
real answer.

In short, they fooled you. They fooled VTU (read the editorials that came
out after NAB). They showed a product and depended on the goodwill they'd
built to make you think it was real. It wasn't a real -product- by any
strech of the imagination.

I thought it was bad. I quit, partially because I didn't want to be part
of it. It's made me LOADS of friends, but I have the satisfaction of
having been right...



_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

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From: Hammed Malik <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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William Teegarden wrote:

> Funny thing about NURBS is that modeler now supports it's own
> NURBS-esque technique, which seems to have that ability, but you still
> don't have in layout.  I'm sure that will change however, as there is
> no reason why it couldn't be done.

I've been using LW 5 for about a week now and I'm starting to suspect that
'NURBS' in MetaNurbs is not much more than a marketing ploy.  The only
difference between Metaform and Metanurbs seems to be the automatic
subdivision in the preview and visible curves in the quad view.  Its
possible that NURBS are being used to calculate the curves but from a users
point of view, there's not much of a difference functionality wise between
the MetaNurbs and MetaForm.  Its still a pain to tighten up a curve for
example - you still have to add more polygons and move them close to a
corner.  It'd be nice if while in MetaNurbs mode (with visible curves) you
could use control handles on the splines to adjust curves and new polygons
would be generated when you switch out of MetaNurbs mode.

hammed



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Subject: NT to Mac ?
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I am hooking up my Macs with my NT Workstation PC. My Windows
95 startup from my PC uses Miramar's MacLan. That is a super
good product. But when U are talking about NT Workstation and
Mac, U have to have several things:

1st: >1 Macs, that is more than 2 computers hooking up
together. It is because The AppleTalk protocol included in the
Workstation CD wouldn't do any help. The one and only one Mac
(if there are only one Mac and one PC) need AppleTalk to look
for the fellow Apple'talker' in the Etherneted chain in order
to change from LocalTalk to EtherTalk (under the Network
panel). So, ... or maybe, it might work when U load AppleTalk
from within NT startup ... I will try that, but I bet it
wouldn't really work.

2nd: U need an FTP program in your Mac (FTP server program is
optional). Programs like Fetch or FTPd will do the job. MacTCP
is also necessary. The KEY is the address. 199.168.x.x will do.
x here should be <=255 provided U have also less than 255
machines hooking up together (assumming using Ethernet).

I have been using this method for more than 3 months and it
work flawlessly ... and FAST. So, any question, just gimme a
mail and I will trya help out.


Good luck!


LSam
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 02:25:34 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> You're on!  You've seen our work (the pros in general here) on seaQuest, Star
> Trek:Voyager, Space:Above and Beyond, Babylon 5, Sliders, etc.  Let's
see some
> of your amazing animation--especially that way cool particle stuff, in
> particular (ha ha) lava, smoke and most especially, hair.  I'm so sure Alias
> Sketch has an amazing hair shader--not.  Come on, lets see you actually
DO some
> of the stuff the box claims it can do.  From what I've seen so far of your
> stuff, it's precisely the type of work that we'll look at and say "well, it
> looks like he's gotten the hang of those tutorials (barely)."


Fred, I'm not sure, but it seems like you've got my assertions crossed.
Easy to understand considering how convoluted this thread has become.
But please read the following carefully cause I'm not gonna repeat - ever
- really, I promise!

I LIKE LightWave. NewTek told me the Power Mac version of 5.0 will be out
by the third quarter of this year and I plan to procure a copy. I saw a
student sit down with it and within 3-4 months produce nearly TV quality
stuff. The company seems to have its head and heart in the right place.
They innovate and incorporate quality. Autodesk has been producing
3DStudio for a long time and it still sucks. Autodesk takes advantage of
the installed base they enjoy to maximize their profits - thats my
opinion.

The only experience I had had with 3D Modeling when I came to this god
forsaken desert was a year with Alias Studio at the U. of Iowa. When I saw
the output of 3D Studio I thought I had entered the Stone Age of 3D
modeling! Then when I heard so many defend it endlessly I wondered if
maybe I was mistaken - that this was more like the current state of 3D for
any OS other than SGI.

But I soon found out differently. Many apps are available that render much
better than 3D Studio. One in particular -a $200 modeling application
called Alias Sketch! - renders particularly well given its price. I have
since used it to demonstrate Raytracing to my students. I think its
important for them to know WHAT rayracing is.

There has been some push to integrate LightWave into the curriculum at CAD.
I'm wholeheartedly in support of this move. Although 3D Studio is a good
application to learn on, it does not produce the kind of out put I
consider
"good". I don't know if MAX will be different but will soon enough - I hope so.

In the mean time I'll continue to work on Alias Power Animator simply
because thats what I enjoy - and I won't enter into any long debates on
its merits.
I would like to work toward the modeling/animation of Natural History
subject matter and for me that means Alias.

> You talk really big about your capabilities and those of Alias Sketch,
but YOU
> ARE THE NO SHOW.  I haven't seen ANYTHING you've done that shows off the
stuff
> you claim it can do, whereas the stuff we claim Lightwave can do is on your
> silly little TV almost EVERY SINGLE NIGHT!  I challenge you to do broadcast
> quality--network quality--work.  I won't even challenge you to film quality
> because I don't want to choke your Molasses (or do they still call them
> Apples?).
> --
>                       -=Fred=-

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> Hi there,
>
> We have the LightWave 5.0 upgrade (INTEL PC) version available for
> 399.00
> UK POUNDS plus 10.00 UK pounds postage and packing. As this is an
> upgrade,
> you will of course require the dongle from your V4.0 (intel PC).
>
> If you require any further information, please contact us.

Gordon,
        Do you have units ready to ship immediately?

Glyn Williams - Particle Systems.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: DPS PAR DR-2100 Vs DPS PVR-2500?
Date: 17 May 1996 15:10:05 -0700
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In article <4nibob$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Fletcher00) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Fletcher00)
>Subject: Re: DPS PAR DR-2100 Vs DPS PVR-2500?
>Date: 17 May 1996 13:07:23 -0400

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) writes:

>>
>>There are software support issues as well, but I am not up to speed on
>them.
>>
>>Both devices are either good or excellent at putting animations out to
>video.
>>
>>They each have some limited editing capabilities.
>>
>>Bottom line, is that unless you have a very special reason - get the PVR.
>>
>>

>What kind of $$$ difference is there between the two?

Almost identical for the actual device.  However, the SCSI drives are around
twice as much per gigabyte as the IDE drives.

That is why a used PAR can be a good deal.



Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
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Alan,

Thanks for your comments. The images are meant to compare rendering
quality only. I plan to put up specific info on how the simple geometry
was created, what lights were used, etc so that we can level the playing
field and just look at rendering quality - I think it will be productive!

Sorry to interupt your busy schedual!

Joe


In article <4ndnjl$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](Alan Chan) wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>
> [e-mail] (Joe Monahan) writes:
> >
> >I agree. I challenged all the loud mouths to a free web page demo
> where I
> >would place their images next to others for all to compare. Suddenly
> all
> >the "experts" shut up. The one image I did recieve was actually stolen
> off
> >the web!
> >
> >I'm keeping all these posts to present to the Internet class I teach
> -a
> >good lesson for them, and for me!
>
>
> Have you ever thought about the fact that some of the work we're doing
> is as yet unreleased? The images we are generating are miles above
> those lovely images of yours, and I for one would not want to bother
> placing it on your web site. We're a little too busy working on real
> projects.
>
> AC
>
> ps. you need to work on your lighting, your images look like CGI.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
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BTW, the web page - is at: http://www.netzone.com/~jmonahan/home.html
I'll get it minimized, etc soon.....

Joe


In article <4ndnjl$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](Alan Chan) wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>
> [e-mail] (Joe Monahan) writes:
> >
> >I agree. I challenged all the loud mouths to a free web page demo
> where I
> >would place their images next to others for all to compare. Suddenly
> all
> >the "experts" shut up. The one image I did recieve was actually stolen
> off
> >the web!
> >
> >I'm keeping all these posts to present to the Internet class I teach
> -a
> >good lesson for them, and for me!
>
>
> Have you ever thought about the fact that some of the work we're doing
> is as yet unreleased? The images we are generating are miles above
> those lovely images of yours, and I for one would not want to bother
> placing it on your web site. We're a little too busy working on real
> projects.
>
> AC
>
> ps. you need to work on your lighting, your images look like CGI.

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Monahan) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
>Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
>Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 05:09:17 -0700

>In article <4nel8f$[e-mail]>, Steph Greenberg
><[e-mail]> wrote:

>> William Teegarden <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> : So are we talking modeling as well then here?  I'll bet I can model
>> : ANYTHING you can make in Alias using LW, in the same or less amount of
>> : time.

>Maybe. LightWave is certainly a bargain given its rendering quality, etc.
>Nonetheless, its amazing to attach a mesh to a skeleton in Alias and
>proscribe bulging characteristics to it, then watch as the muscles bulge
>as the arm rotates to a flexed position.

I doubt that the LW 5.0 feature is as good as that in Alias, but LW 5.0 does
have a "muscle bulge" feature.


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->
->    I would suggest the following for you two gentlemen
->
->    1)  You guys should take this horseshit to email
->
->     or
->
->    2)  You should seriously think about getting laid, instead of waving
->    your peckers in the air like this.
->
->  ummmm...(no offense)
->
->   Steven
->


I actually find this thread quite amusing..   If this was a mailing list- then
I would say drop it.. But, since newsgroups are easy to avoid threads-- let it
go..  (My humble opinion)


heh...


rick


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|>------------------------------------
|>The people marketing the Toaster were in the right place at the right time
|>to be sure.
|>-----------------------------------
|>
|>You know, Foust hates it when I mention Play - but I re-read this sentence
|>and it pissed me off. It implies that the marketing department of 'old'
|>NewTek (some would call it 'real' NewTek) was lucky.
|>
|>Bite me.
|>
|>As I indicated, there was a ton of work. In addition, the same group of
|>marketing people who launched Toaster made Snappy (a video digitizer that
|>entered the market with a BUNCH of competition already there) the largest
|>selling video product EVER for the PC in about a year. They launched
|>Trinity in a huge way. They made a company that is larger and more
|>sucessful than NewTek in that space of time, and it's a company that is
|>'cool' in the same way NewTek used to be.
|>
|>Marketing, kids.
|>
|>
|>
|>_____________________________________________
|>Lee ,
  I seem to remember they crawled in bed with Digital Creations(supergen 2000s,
   DCTV, Brilliance on the Amiga),
  and Microsoft recently. As for snappy, What competition are you talking about?
   I read the maga and really don't recall anything in that price range
  avaiable. Gee first a DigiView type thingy for the PC, and then a Toaster
  type thingy for the PC. A lot of original ideas surfacing here. I wonder
  if softimage will be their 3D software for Trinity ? i saw a Snappy ad.
  big picture of the device, nice but nothing special. We have one in shop
  but opt to use a digital camera most of the time. if I buy a pentium I
  would consider the Snappy as I believe it has it's uses .

  -bill

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From: cjtsui <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Studio Z and LW
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Jason Linhart wrote:
>
> cjtsui <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Just played with it this afternoon....GOOD GOD WHAT A MACHINE!!!
>
> >Unbelievably fast GL acceleration and it was a dream to model in!
>
> >of course the machine I played with was 36,000.00 so that explains a
> >lot, still, a better deal then an SGI (there are actually a lot of
> >programs for Windows! :)
>
> >later
> >Josh Tsui
>
> The system for $36,000 is probably one of their StudioZ machines with
> the built-in D1 video option.
>
> I've been using a pentium pro 150MHZ based Intergraph TDZ 300 system.
> I think the price is somewhere between $10 - $15K depending on
> options.  I would have to say that the OpenGL response is the best of
> any system that I have sat in front of.(So good it will make most
> verteran LW'ers cry!)  The real-time response of adjusting lighting,
> bones and most other things in Layout and Modeler is something that I
> have wished for since the early days of LightWave.
> Overall, It's a great system.
>
> I wish I could take the graphics speed of this system and stick it on
> top of the render power of the 500Mhz Alpha that Deskstation was
> showing at NAB (another system that makes verteran LW'ers
> cry!)............Oh yeah, ScreamerNet would work!  Thank  *
> (Insert appropriate higher spiritual being) for network rendering!
>
> Jason Linhart


trust me Jason, i was on the verge of tears!!! :)

yes, it was the machine with the D1 option and it was friggin'
beautiful!!

I did manage to crash the machine twice though and got the demo guy
really mad at me.

Unfortunately they had a person demoing LW who didn't know what he was
doing.  I actually got oohs and aahs just doing some simple metaforming.

later
Josh Tsui
Midway Games

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Can someone tell me how i use lightwave on a alpha with NT 3.51. I
have LW 4.0 c the officel software with dongle. It works on win95 what
do i need to install LW on a DEC alpha. There is a sentinel driver for
ALPHA machines. Only I can't run the setup. Please send me the working
files to run LW?

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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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Joe Monahan wrote:
>
> In article <4n8b9k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
> > All Software has it's limits. Even ILM and Pixar, with access to the best
> > modeling software around, Alias, use clay models for most of their movies.
> > Casper, Toy Story, B5, and many more used DIGITIZED models.
>
> Could you site your source for this info? Thanks...
>
> Joe

Check out Cinefex , a magazine devoted to effects done for films, with a
lot of space devoted to CGI and how it is done.  Most of the large
effects houses use sculpted and digitised models, which are then tweaked
further in some modeling software.

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From: [e-mail] (Lorenzo Colloreta)
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Subject: Saving Animations in LW4 for Win95???
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I  can't  save any animation using LW4 for Win95..  Lightwave
seem to save the anim but actually it does not..

What could I miss??

Any help or a simple "do-list" containing any operation in
order to save an animation, would be really appreciated.

email to: [e-mail]

Thanks a lot.


--

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Subject: Re: In defense of separate Modeler/Layout
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Anthony Caviello wrote:
>
>         I love having a separate modeler and layout.  I hope it stays
> separate.  I think it has a lot to do with why so much good work is
> done with lightwave.
>         For me, when I use layout, it's like I've entered a soundstage.  While
> in modeler I'm in a workshop building and sculpting.  In each area, I
> can clearly focus without distraction.
>         It seems baffling to combine the two, it would be like walking onto a
> hollywood soundstage on the set, and finding the carpenters building
> sets and  props, behind the actors, while the director and cameraman
> are trying to set up their scene.


Building sets on soundstages while the director ahd actors are there
happens all the time! But I agree that separate programs work best for me
for the same reasons, no distractions, no extraneous grids or other
wireframe objects to get in the way.

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I'm trying to transfer files between my A2000 and my PC via Null Modem.
Can someone tell me what software I can use for the A2000 and PC to
Do this? I have LapLink 7.0 can i use that on my PC and have another
software on Amiga? I want to transfer files at High Speed, I tryed a PD
software
before, and It took forever to transfer files. If anyone could help it
would be great!

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Anybody know what the UVshader plugin in the plugins\layout directory of LW5
is for? I don't see it listed in the index of either manual. Is it used by one
of the surfacing options, or is it part of a cool new texturing feature I
haven't come across yet?


Jeff H...


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Joe retorts about the internet:

>Actually, I will be later in the term. Currently I'm explaining News
>groups and how many are such a waste of time. (All the posts in this
>thread are proving my point quite well - and the students seem amused.)

For God Sakes! Learn HTML before teaching the class!  Learn how
to use tables properly, because you've got code in your pages,
than unless you've fixed it recently, simply doesn't work.  Unclosed
columns and rows, center commands on tables (which don't work),
and a hideous background that makes even a marginal designer like
myself wince.

Newsgroups are a waste of time, because ignorant boneheads like
you get on them to spout irrationally, devoid of facts, and full of
egotism.
You wasted more bandwidth with this challege you're now backpedalling
from than any ten people I know on the net.

I hope your students get to read *all* of the posts, so they realize just
how dense you are.

And since you like to jab at Jeff Jasper for being a Senior Programmer
which is completely possible at a large instituion like Ohio State,
remember, all you are is a teacher at the CAD Institute, a trade college
in Arizona I doubt anyone knows, or cares about.

Look in the mirror before accusing people of anything.
--Brian
========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
== Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
=============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============

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Nate, feel free to upload the tutorial to ftp.newtek.com, the Incoming
directory.  This is NewTek's anonymous ftp site, open to all.
  ========================================================================
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I want to make a deal. I need objects for LW. Anything will do. In
return i will be able to give you....naaa, let's deal via e-mail.

E-mail responses only please.

HUMAN

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i am looking into buying a new pc and getting started in cgi work at the
same time. naturally, as i am not overly familiar with Lightwave, i need
to ask a few questions of anyone who is willing to help a newbie. the
questions are as follows:
1. what are the minimum recommended system requirements to run Lightwave
    EFFICIENTLY? (i can't afford a top of the line system and need to
    buy something that will suffice NOT something that will blow me out
    of my chair)
2. what operating system(s) does Lightwave require and, if more than one,
    which one is best?
3. which version of Lightwave is the most user-friendly and bug free?
4. who sells Lightwave and how much is the desired version going to
    cost me?
5. any other advice/ tips/ information would also be greatly appreciated.

please e-mail all responsed to   [e-mail]  as i am not
a regular reader of this group (although i probably will ba once i am up
and running).
thanks for your help and your time!
jeneth

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Subject: Tools vs Talent
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I've been reading the LW vs Alias thread as well as others with the theme
mine is bigger or better than yours and I thought I would post a thought
or two. I'm the Art director at a small 3D animation company that uses
Lightwave, which we've made some money with. The problem I see with
Lightwave as well as Alias or SoftImage or any other 3D package is not
the software but the person using it. I have over 30 years experience
doing "Art" professionally and I'm still learning not to accept
half-assed output from myself let alone anyone else. We get demo tapes
all the time from people who claim to be "animation masters" with LW or
anything else including Alias and SI that should be embarrased to show
these tapes let alone claim to be a master at it.
  What it takes to be a good artist with any tool is a willingness to use
what ever it takes to produce the work. Because LW is relatively
inexpensive a lot of "hobbyists" use the package to produce ho-hum work.
Some however, produce incredible work because they are willing to push
the software and themselves to a new level. What these individuals have
is experience in other creative fields that are necessary for anyone to
be a good 3D animator. Alias and SoftImage are too expensive for a casual
hobbyist, unless daddy has oil wells in the backyard, to seriously
consider buying. It seems that most of the Alias SoftImage people I meet
are students who have access to the software provided by the school, so
when they graduate that is all they know. To really learn a package you
must use it in a real world situation, to meet a deadline or other
challenge (not the one given here) but when real money is on the line.
  The only advice I would give anyone wanting to work a a 3D animator is
to be very self critical of the work you produce, not in awe of a
ray-traced scene that has 200,000 polys and took a week to renderrand mom
and all your friends think is just great, but that the lighting or
texturing aren't the best.
I would hire someone with little or no computer experience if they had a
proven track record or visible artistic ability than someone who has
years of computer skills but no talent.So much for this rant, adios!

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In article <[e-mail]> Hammed Malik <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Hammed Malik <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
>Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 00:43:31 -0400

>William Teegarden wrote:

>> Funny thing about NURBS is that modeler now supports it's own
>> NURBS-esque technique, which seems to have that ability, but you still
>> don't have in layout.  I'm sure that will change however, as there is
>> no reason why it couldn't be done.

>I've been using LW 5 for about a week now and I'm starting to suspect that
>'NURBS' in MetaNurbs is not much more than a marketing ploy.  The only
>difference between Metaform and Metanurbs seems to be the automatic
>subdivision in the preview and visible curves in the quad view.  Its
>possible that NURBS are being used to calculate the curves but from a users
>point of view, there's not much of a difference functionality wise between
>the MetaNurbs and MetaForm.  Its still a pain to tighten up a curve for
>example - you still have to add more polygons and move them close to a
>corner.  It'd be nice if while in MetaNurbs mode (with visible curves) you
>could use control handles on the splines to adjust curves and new polygons
>would be generated when you switch out of MetaNurbs mode.

>hammed

Sorry, I gotta disagree.  It may not be as powerful as you want, but it is
much faster to use MetaNurbs with the OpenGL to create an organic form such as
a character.




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MarcMylar ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >Altamira
: >Composer was a very cool image editing program, created by some Autodesk
: >alumni. Microsoft bought out the company's technology and the founders,
: >supported the product for about a year, then dropped it and absorbed the
: >founders into their giant CGI maw. (To use a slightly tired "Star Trek"
: >reference, it was kinda like the Borg--we will assimilate you.)

: So that's what became of Composer.  I was using it for a while until it
: became an orphan, and thus, unhip.

This is exactly why so few geeks are consulted when definitions
of "cool" or "hip" are sought. Can you imagine how hip it would
be to create graphics that had some prominence, and when questioned
about their creation, reveal that they had been created with some
orphan software package? In this turbulant, ever-changing, upgrade-
frenetic milieu? For references, I cite the use of Gibson Les Pauls
in Rock history, always preferred in the face of never-ending developments
and advancements in the construction and manufacture of electric guitars.

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Jeff Holinski wrote:
>
> Anybody know what the UVshader plugin in the plugins\layout directory of LW5
> is for? I don't see it listed in the index of either manual. Is it used by one
> of the surfacing options, or is it part of a cool new texturing feature I
> haven't come across yet?
>
> Jeff H...

The latter is correct. This will seem a little round-a-bout but here'goes... 1.) Go to modeler load an object, any object. go to the
TOOLS/CUSTOM macro pulldown. Select PowerTexture. This will alow you to load a *.BMP image file (and ONLY a a *.BMP image file). Then you use
the PowerTexture Plugin to visualy place position/orientation/size the texture. Save the File.  2.) Go back to layout and load your object, go
to the surfaces panel and under shader select the file you saved for PT. It's not what I would have come up with for a texture placement
plugin... But it works.

Brad Hayes
http://pacificnet.net/~bjayes

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how do you guys like using these?  do you use em more in
Modeller like i'd think?  i am interested in trying one out
but i don't know anyone personally who has one.

also, how much $?

-curious

p.s.  don't have a scene loaded in 2 sep layouts, then close 1 out.  i've
had some VERY strange settings saved that shouldn't be possible.


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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark
Dunakin) writes:
>
>Just curious, does anyone out there know of a way to do a shrink wrap
around
>an object? What I would like to be able to do, (just for fun), is to
see if
>while you are in Modelor, you could shrink wrap one object from one
layer
>around another object in another layer? Actually, I really would like
to know
>if this could be done for the purpose of making some great morph
targets.
>Anyway, thanx for any kind of sugestions on this......md :)


Background Conform does that to a certain extent. Install the plugin
BGConform.p and try it out..

Ac


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In <[e-mail]> david goerndt <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>
>  What it takes to be a good artist with any tool is a willingness to
use
>what ever it takes to produce the work. Because LW is relatively
>inexpensive a lot of "hobbyists" use the package to produce ho-hum
work.
>Some however, produce incredible work because they are willing to push

>the software and themselves to a new level. What these individuals
have
>is experience in other creative fields that are necessary for anyone
to
>be a good 3D animator.

Absolutely. The successful animators in the field all come from other
varied backgrounds, either art design or film. The computer is just a
tool for realizing a vision. If you don't got vision, you don't got
crap.

AC


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In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jeff Holinski) writes:
>
>Anybody know what the UVshader plugin in the plugins\layout directory
of LW5
>is for? I don't see it listed in the index of either manual. Is it
used by one
>of the surfacing options, or is it part of a cool new texturing
feature I
>haven't come across yet?


It's married to the PowerTexture plugin in Modeler..

AC



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From: [e-mail] (TomReel1)
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Subject: LWPRO Book SRO
Date: 17 May 1996 23:53:14 -0400
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Hi,
Just wanted to let the newgroup know that the LIGHTWAVEPRO book is almost
sold out. Can you say collectors item?
Call 1-800-322-2843 or 408-743-9250 (M-F 9-5 pst)
All The Best,
Tom Patrick
Editor
Video Toaster User

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B Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The latter is correct. This will seem a little round-a-bout but here'goes... 1.) Go to modeler load an object, any object. go to the
>TOOLS/CUSTOM macro pulldown. Select PowerTexture. This will alow you to load a *.BMP image file (and ONLY a a *.BMP image file). Then you use
>the PowerTexture Plugin to visualy place position/orientation/size the texture. Save the File.  2.) Go back to layout and load your object, go
>to the surfaces panel and under shader select the file you saved for PT. It's not what I would have come up with for a texture placement
>plugin... But it works.

  Kind of wacky that NewTek would advertise this as a feature in their
new ads.

  Kreg Branden
  -  Meme-X  -


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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Walter
(Jay) Turberville (III)) writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]> Hammed Malik
<[e-mail]> writes:
>>From: Hammed Malik <[e-mail]>
>>Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
>>Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 00:43:31 -0400
>
>>William Teegarden wrote:
>
>>> Funny thing about NURBS is that modeler now supports it's own
>>> NURBS-esque technique, which seems to have that ability, but you
still
>>> don't have in layout.  I'm sure that will change however, as there
is
>>> no reason why it couldn't be done.
>
>>I've been using LW 5 for about a week now and I'm starting to suspect
that
>>'NURBS' in MetaNurbs is not much more than a marketing ploy.  The
only
>>difference between Metaform and Metanurbs seems to be the automatic
>>subdivision in the preview and visible curves in the quad view.  Its
>>possible that NURBS are being used to calculate the curves but from a
users
>>point of view, there's not much of a difference functionality wise
between
>>the MetaNurbs and MetaForm.  Its still a pain to tighten up a curve
for
>>example - you still have to add more polygons and move them close to
a
>>corner.  It'd be nice if while in MetaNurbs mode (with visible
curves) you
>>could use control handles on the splines to adjust curves and new
polygons
>>would be generated when you switch out of MetaNurbs mode.

MetaNURBS will truely come into their own once they are incorated into
Layout.  Once that happens, one may never need look at polygons again
if they don't want to.  It's also the first step towards getting good
control of your mesh for character animation.

GT



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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
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Subject: LightWave notes from E3
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The Electronic Entertainment Expo (read:  video games), or as I called it,
the "Denim shirt with embroidered logo convention", since a huge
percentage of exhibitors were sporting, just that just finished it’s
second day.

Overall, the day I spent walking the floor was a large disappointment,
littered with Doom, and Mortal Combat clones, and nothing new, with few
exceptions.  But, there were some interesting LightWave "factiods", let me
call them, which I present to you in no particular order:

I ran into Brad Peebler, as part of NewTek’s first E3 appearance.  They
only had a meeting room, but had appointments set up all show long with
game companies, current and future LightWave users.  We had a good talk
about the usual stuff, and it was great to see them walking the show and
making the rounds.

We talked about LightWave features, which came down to "If there’s no
downside to the feature" you’re going to see it in LightWave.  It’s just a
matter of prioritizing and having the time to implement properly.
Multiple Cameras, Multithreading; that sort of thing.

We also talked about the game market, and NewTek was, I guess the best way
to describe it is relieved, that many of the games were officially
announced that are using LightWave in some way.  They knew about a lot of
games, but just weren’t allowed to say anything.  Again, it was great to
see NewTek at the show in some capacity.

We can look forward to a slew of games using LightWave in our near future.
 I peeked into the closed demos of "Starfleet Academy" from Interplay.
The cut scenes I saw where real sharp looking LightWave animations, with a
beautiful shot of the Enterprise-A passing by a planet and launching a
photon torpedo.  Word is that everything was done in LightWave, including
painstaking recreations of the movie bridge sets, from frame-by-frame
viewing of The Wrath of Khan.  I can’t wait to get my copy.

Also, cut scenes in "Descent II" are LightWave, scenes in "Command and
Conquer", and a whole host of games I can’t think of off hand.

But here’s the best LightWave story of the show.  Microsoft booth.  Just
across from their SoftImage booth.  A big chunk of real estate for a game
called "Dangerous Tides".  A ride on a rail game with beautiful textures,
backgrounds, sprites, the whole works.  Also, a nice promotional video
with the high rez versions of all the ships, backgrounds, etc.  Hmm, that
looks like…the Veins texture….  I ask, "What was this done with?"  The
demo guy responds:  "LightWave."  Everything in the game is LightWave.
About a fourth of the Microsoft booth is covered with a game with graphics
all done with LightWave.

Now there’s a story in there to be told.  Maybe not so the developers get
in trouble from Redmond and are forced to use something the obviously
didn’t want, or need to, but a story that’s got to get out to the public.
--Brian

========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
== Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
=============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============

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From: [e-mail] (Richard Green)
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Subject: Lazer beams?
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Any have a SIMPLE way to create a LAZER beam?

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From: [e-mail] (ToastRGuy)
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Subject: Re: '060 for Amiga 2000 ??
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In article <4nh4pd$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](Bob Bennett) writes:

>Anyone have any experience with a readily available 060 board (w/SCSI)
>for the Amiga 2000?  I'm looking for one.  It must work with V-Toaster
>and DPS PAR.

Yes, the first ones are here from Tek Magic, the company that took over
for GVP.
Cost, $1,599

________________________________________________________________________
Don James   The Computer Room    Colorado's Desktop Video Specialists
2760 S. Havana St.  Aurora, CO  80014        [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (MarcMylar)
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Subject: Re: Do not send your pictures to Joe Monahan!
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Joe Monahan) writes:

> I will use the whole thread to instuct the students in
>my internet classes the potential folly of this medium of
>communication.

So there IS some use to this thread after all...

-Marc

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On 5/16/96 11:29PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> On the same note...Alias/Wavefront has a new add with a scene from Jumanji of
> the elephant
> running over the car. What they fail to mention in the ad of course is that
> Alias was only
> used to model the elephant. The scene that they were showing in their ad was
> actually done in
> Softimage and of course rendered in Renderman. I guess they can also make
> claim for a few
> shards of glass that were done in Dynamation. Someone else mentioned that at
> NAB there was a
> short clip of a 3D Studio animation mixed into their tape.
> Jeff
> --
> Student Programmer 3(change is for somebody who was confused)
> Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
> Emerging Technology Studio

Wavefront also has our CG  USS Voyager on their reel.  I love going to shows
like Siggraph and asking if those shots were all done in Wavefront, then
nailing them when they say "yes".  If they do it again this year maybe I'll
cause a commotion of some kind.

--
                      -=Fred=-


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On 5/17/96 11:29AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> You like modeling in NURBS so much don't you? Well 3D Studio has a full NURBS
> modeling plug-in for both 3DSr4 and MAX. It also has some of the most powerful
> Metaball modeling and animation plug-ins. Not to mention the new ones like
> character studio (which was copied for Softimage 3.5) and Sand Blaster(Give
> Alias particles a run for their money).
>
>
>
> Jeff
> --
> Student Programmer 3(change is for somebody who was confused)
> Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
> Emerging Technology Studio

I don't think you can really say it has these great plug-ins--it doesn't have
ANY of these plug-ins!  A program has what it ships with, that's it.  It only
has all of the above if YOU have another $3000 or so, and  by that point you
could have SoftImage.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Harmel)
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In article <4ngk51$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Adam Ives Chrystie) says:
>
>
>Actually, the original post was asking if someone could make UV mapping
>plugin for LightWave so that an image will follow the contours of an
>object without having teh stretching syndrome...
>
>Interactive texture map placing i think comes with 5.0 via some
>plugin...if i am correct.
>--
>----------------------------------
>Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator
>Cinema/Video Major, Senior
>University Of California at Santa Cruz

I've searched but no dice, however I just recieved 5.0 two days ago.
Maybe I've over looked this plugin. I hoped the Power Texture plugin
would do it, but I guess it was not meant to be.

If you find it, please drop us a note.

Thanks

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On 5/15/96 4:38PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > Darn close though. I would hate to see Twister or Batman or The Mask done
> > in anything less then Alias. Thats were the fun is.....
>
> The Mask also used EIAS, and Batman was done mostly with in-house software.
> Not sure what Twister was done with.
>
> Jeff
> --
> Sr. Programmer 3
> Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
> Emerging Technology Studio


As I recall (though I've tried to block the whole movie from memory), there was
a whole section in the credits of Twister devoted to the people who wrote new
code to do the twister shots.  Give me a team of programmers and I can do
ANYTHING in Lightwave that Alias can do--from particles to character animation.
 It always bothers me that people assume that Alias is used as-is, off the
shelf, for all these great (and not so great) movie effects.  If any program
should be looked upon as being impressive for all of the cool effects it has
done right out of the box, with no additional programming, it's LightWave.  Joe
seems to believe all the Alias demo reels... a silly mistake.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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Meme-X wrote:
>
> B Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >The latter is correct. This will seem a little round-a-bout but here'goes... 1.) Go to modeler load an object, any object. go to the
> >TOOLS/CUSTOM macro pulldown. Select PowerTexture. This will alow you to load a *.BMP image file (and ONLY a a *.BMP image file). Then you use
> >the PowerTexture Plugin to visualy place position/orientation/size the texture. Save the File.  2.) Go back to layout and load your object, go
> >to the surfaces panel and under shader select the file you saved for PT. It's not what I would have come up with for a texture placement
> >plugin... But it works.
>
>   Kind of wacky that NewTek would advertise this as a feature in their
> new ads.
>
>   Kreg Branden
>   -  Meme-X  -

Yeah.., Well... But it works... (pained look on my face) :\ Say hello to Dawn if you see her, I still don't have here E-Address.

Brad Hayes
http://pacificnet.net/~bjhayes

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> I don't think you can really say it has these great plug-ins--it doesn't have
> ANY of these plug-ins!  A program has what it ships with, that's it.  It only
> has all of the above if YOU have another $3000 or so, and  by that point you
> could have SoftImage.

I was just pointing out that 3DS and MAX do have nice plug-ins available. No you don't
really need them since MAX has a full spline and polygon modeler, it also has
particles with explosions, fire, smoke and flares all in the basic package. But the
new procedural tools that are coming out for MAX like Character Studio and Sand
Blaster are there for the studios and pros to use, there are a few cheap or free
plug-ins that handle bones with muscle deformations and skin that doesn't distort or
wrinkle. MAX in fact is pretty much a big group of plug-ins on the core kernal.
Another point I was making since he was such a fan of NURBS and he said that 3DS
doesn't have any useful plug-ins is that 3DS has a couple NURBS modeling plug-ins.

Jeff
--
Student Programmer 3(change is for somebody who was confused)
Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> On 5/15/96 4:38PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > > Darn close though. I would hate to see Twister or Batman or The Mask done
> > > in anything less then Alias. Thats were the fun is.....
> >
> > The Mask also used EIAS, and Batman was done mostly with in-house software.
> > Not sure what Twister was done with.
> >
> > Jeff
> > --
> > Sr. Programmer 3
> > Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
> > Emerging Technology Studio
>
> As I recall (though I've tried to block the whole movie from memory), there was
> a whole section in the credits of Twister devoted to the people who wrote new
> code to do the twister shots.  Give me a team of programmers and I can do
> ANYTHING in Lightwave that Alias can do--from particles to character animation.
>  It always bothers me that people assume that Alias is used as-is, off the
> shelf, for all these great (and not so great) movie effects.  If any program
> should be looked upon as being impressive for all of the cool effects it has
> done right out of the box, with no additional programming, it's LightWave.  Joe
> seems to believe all the Alias demo reels... a silly mistake.

I just saw it this evening. The give a list of special effects artists and give
credits to Industrial Light and Magic but I didn't notice the list of programers. I
can say though that I have read before where ILM states that they are about 50/50
proprietary and off the self software. I think much of twister was probably
proprietary for particles. Although Alias or Softimage could have easily been used
for the CG cars and farm equipment. It was a very entertaining film that keeps you
in suspense. Things did look CG for the most part, but it didn't bother me a bit.
They had a preview for Dragonheart too, the character animation on it looks good.
Another one to chalk up to ILM. It was funny all of the previews but one had loads
of CG. The one film was the latest John Grisham court room drama. Got it is funny to
look at cinema today compaired to the likes of Tron and The Last Starfighter.

Jeff
--
Student Programmer 3(change is for somebody who was confused)
Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Emerging Technology Studio

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In <4njn34$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
writes:
>
>But here’s the best LightWave story of the show.  Microsoft booth.
Just
>across from their SoftImage booth.  A big chunk of real estate for a
game
>called "Dangerous Tides".  A ride on a rail game with beautiful
textures,
>backgrounds, sprites, the whole works.  Also, a nice promotional video
>with the high rez versions of all the ships, backgrounds, etc.  Hmm,
that
>looks like…the Veins texture….  I ask, "What was this done with?"  The
>demo guy responds:  "LightWave."  Everything in the game is LightWave.

>About a fourth of the Microsoft booth is covered with a game with
graphics
>all done with LightWave.
>
>Now there’s a story in there to be told.  Maybe not so the developers
get
>in trouble from Redmond and are forced to use something the obviously
>didn’t want, or need to, but a story that’s got to get out to the
public.

Slight correction: it's "Deadly Tide". And the story will be told
eventually..  :)

AC


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Any one have any hints on how to make a realistic diamond surface?????
It's pretty tricky... well 4 me anyway. 8-)



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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Null Modem?  I have your Answer!!!
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 12:51:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (GJaby10669) wrote:

>I'm trying to transfer files between my A2000 and my PC via Null Modem.
>Can someone tell me what software I can use for the A2000 and PC to
>Do this? I have LapLink 7.0 can i use that on my PC and have another
>software on Amiga? I want to transfer files at High Speed, I tryed a PD
>software
>before, and It took forever to transfer files. If anyone could help it
>would be great!
Tried to email you, mail came back!!

I use Linkit! It has a screen so that you can see on both computers
your files/drives from each computer. You can transfer to of from any
file to any file. Up to 115200 transfer rate. With it you get a PC
version and a amiga version for each computer. Downside: sometime this
software doesn't work good and it freezes up. Most times it works fine
though. If you are interested in more info email me.
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From: [e-mail] (G Suave)
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I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to tell hapless souls
such as myself how to use the experimental features in Lightwave 4.0.
I've seen the cel animation deal demonstrated, but I haven't the
slightest idea how to activate it.  I'm also wondering if there are
any more that I don't even know about.

Thanks in advance.


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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The Microsoft story doesn't suprise me - it's part of a pattern I'm seeing
that spells real trouble for SoftImage. Here's the scenario I'm seeing
develop - SoftImage has spent most of their time on the port to NT. It
hasn't devloped new features, and it's begun to lose its place as a
high-end SGI product - Alias seems to be the clear high-end SGI choice,
especially with Maya coming out. In addition, they are priced too damn
high on the PC to make a huge dent. So.....SoftImage loses SGI seats,
high-end cache, and lags behind LW and Max on the PC.

Notice that people have been violently discussing LW vs Max or Alias - but
not SoftImage....I think there's a reason. I do not think MicroSoft has a
clue in this area, either. They haven't proven to me they can sell a
successful artist's tool.


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Books in the UK not being delivered.....

Book nearly old out......

I have a real bad feeling about this......


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From: [e-mail](Michael C. Ling)
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Subject: Re: In defense of separate Modeler/Layout
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After using metanurbs in modeler, I want it in Layout.  Aside from that,
the only modeler stuff I'd think would be nice in Layout would be something
to generate primitive objects. It seems a like overkill to load up modeler
to make a flat plane for a floor, or a cube for room interiors, or a sphere
for some effect, or to change or add a texture name, etc. This would
probably of use to people low on memory who'd want to avoid loading up
modeler while layout is up.

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From: [e-mail] (Howard ST)
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Hello! I am new to Lightwave (3 weeks or so)...and I have what is probably
a very easy question.

I understand from the docs that the forward slash key is used to "drop" a
tool in modeler. Such that I ought to be able to hit slash  and then slash
again to drop a tool and deselect points, for example. Is this how it is
supposed to work? Well what  I find is that  if I have a tool selected
(say "move") and I hit the forward slash key, nothing happens (tool is not
dropped, points are not deselected). But if I manually hit the "move"
button again to deselect it and *then* hit the slash key to deselect
points, then that works fine. Am I confused about my keyboard shortcuts or
is something wrong?

This obviously isn't the world's greatest questions, but dropping a tool
to switch to point/poly select mode  is probably the most common operation
I find myself doing in Modeler, so I'd really like to be able to use the
keyboard.

Any help appreciated! Thanks

-H
-H

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From: [e-mail](Michael C. Ling)
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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On May 17, 1996 02:25:34 in article <Re: LW vs Alias>,
'[e-mail] (Joe Monahan)' wrote:

>But I soon found out differently. Many apps are available that render much

>better than 3D Studio. One in particular -a $200 modeling application
>called Alias Sketch! - renders particularly well given its price. I have
>since used it to demonstrate Raytracing to my students. I think its
>important for them to know WHAT rayracing is.

POVRAY for zero dollars and comes with source code. And with the dxf/3ds
conversion utilities, you might get by without a modeler. (that's if you
intend to only dabble in 3D).

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Steve Koren wrote:
>
>> Hmm... I think it did (3.5 SA).  My memory may be fading too, but I
>> can distinctly recall using Import & Export in 3.5.
>
>Jay Turberville added:
>
>> This is how I remember it too.
>
>I'll defer to you guys.  It never worked for me, but I didn't try
>very hard either.
>
>- Ernie
>
>
If you started modeler from within Layout in 3.5 then import/export
did work. If you started the two independently then it didn't.

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 and NT 3.51
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Can someone tell me how i use lightwave on a alpha with NT 3.51. I
>have LW 4.0 c the officel software with dongle. It works on win95 what
>do i need to install LW on a DEC alpha. There is a sentinel driver for
>ALPHA machines. Only I can't run the setup. Please send me the working
>files to run LW?

You need the Alpha version of Lightwave 3D.

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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Subject: Re: Bill Gates -Was "MAX or LightWave? How about some MAX here"
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I wll say one thing for Windows, NT is a decent OS.  It only
crashes about once a week, is very powerful, runs DOS and
win3.11 apps withbought complaint, and even runs os/2
character based (no graphics, I guess :) apps!

Best thing is, I get to use all 32 bits of real estate in my
processor. (Win95 dosen't count, as it negates most of it's
advantage still using a 640K limit, etc) It's like my 486-80
is a Pentium 90!! (accually, my machine is faster than a P-90
running Win95...)

It's a RAM hog, however.

And LINUX still rules the earth, but when I want to use
something besides DOOM and the games LINUX came with, I have
to boot into NT....  sigh...

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Like, DUHH guys!!!

The best animators, artists, etc will have BOTH 3DS AND
Lightwave!! (and Softimage, and PowerAnimator on a SGI :)
personally, I model in 3DS and render in LW allot.

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Howard ST wrote:
> points, then that works fine. Am I confused about my keyboard shortcuts or
> is something wrong?

Actually I had the same question as you a week ago since I started modeling
alot. The key is to press space first to drop the tool then to press the "/"
key to deselect everything selected.

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Subject: Re: LightWave notes from E3
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VirtualBri wrote:
>
> But here’s the best LightWave story of the show.  Microsoft booth.  Just
> across from their SoftImage booth.  A big chunk of real estate for a game
> called "Dangerous Tides".  A ride on a rail game with beautiful textures,
> backgrounds, sprites, the whole works.  Also, a nice promotional video
> with the high rez versions of all the ships, backgrounds, etc.  Hmm, that
> looks like…the Veins texture….  I ask, "What was this done with?"  The
> demo guy responds:  "LightWave."  Everything in the game is LightWave.
> About a fourth of the Microsoft booth is covered with a game with graphics
> all done with LightWave.
>
> Now there’s a story in there to be told.  Maybe not so the developers get
> in trouble from Redmond and are forced to use something the obviously
> didn’t want, or need to, but a story that’s got to get out to the public.
> --Brian

I just had a disturbing thought what if Microsoft ends up dumping SoftImage
and tries to buy NewTek! Microsoft Lightwave V7.0 Ahhhh!!!!

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From: (Steve)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Hiya all,

Does anyone know if there's a plugin available for Lightwave 4.0 NT
which can reduce the number of polygons in an object, so as to produce
a much simplified object for insertion into a 3D game.

Thanks

Steve

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d.
>
>But here’s the best LightWave story of the show.  Microsoft booth.
Just
>across from their SoftImage booth.  A big chunk of real estate for a
game
>called "Dangerous Tides".  A ride on a rail game with beautiful
textures,
>backgrounds, sprites, the whole works.  Also, a nice promotional video
>with the high rez versions of all the ships, backgrounds, etc.  Hmm,
that
>looks like…the Veins texture….  I ask, "What was this done with?"  The
>demo guy responds:  "LightWave."  Everything in the game is LightWave.

Was it an underwater/space game?

GT



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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
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In <[e-mail]> B Hayes <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>Meme-X wrote:
>>
>> B Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> >The latter is correct. This will seem a little round-a-bout but
here'goes... 1.) Go to modeler load an object, any object. go to the
>> >TOOLS/CUSTOM macro pulldown. Select PowerTexture. This will alow
you to load a *.BMP image file (and ONLY a a *.BMP image file). Then
you use
>> >the PowerTexture Plugin to visualy place position/orientation/size
the texture. Save the File.  2.) Go back to layout and load your
object, go
>> >to the surfaces panel and under shader select the file you saved
for PT. It's not what I would have come up with for a texture placement
>> >plugin... But it works.
>>
>>   Kind of wacky that NewTek would advertise this as a feature in
their
>> new ads.
>>
>>   Kreg Branden
>>   -  Meme-X  -
>
>Yeah.., Well... But it works... (pained look on my face) :\ Say hello
to Dawn if you see her, I still don't have here E-Address.
>
>Brad Hayes
>http://pacificnet.net/~bjhayes


Brad, you should set your margins in a bit closer together.  It's often
difficult to read your posts.

GT


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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
I think much of twister was probably
> proprietary for particles.
> Jeff
> --
> Student Programmer 3(change is for somebody who was confused)
> Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
> Emerging Technology Studio

What makes you think that, Jeff? In your experience would Alias just not
be able to produce the sort of particles you saw in Twister? Why or why
not?

In your experience, what is it about Alias particles that would make it
unlikely they were used for Twister?

Joe

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>Slight correction: it's "Deadly Tide". And the story will be told
>eventually..  :)

Thanks for the name correction.  There were a lot of game there with
really similar names.
--Brian
========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
== Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
=============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============

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On 18 May 1996, Stranahan wrote:

> high-end cache, and lags behind LW and Max on the PC.
>
> Notice that people have been violently discussing LW vs Max or Alias - but
> not SoftImage....I think there's a reason. I do not think MicroSoft has a
> clue in this area, either. They haven't proven to me they can sell a
> successful artist's tool.
>
>

Ummm. Pardon me for intruding, but it would take several years of
Softimage standing still development-wise for LW or Max to even approach
the level of Softimage. I completely agree that they're falling behind
Alias and Prisms, but they started so far ahead of LW and Max that a
comparison is unfair, IMHO. LW is, again IMHO, the clear leader in its
price range (and I include Max, despite the obvious price differences)
but Soft can't be compared. It is far too sophisticated, easy to use and
simply powerful to compare with something like LW or MAX, good as those
programmes are.

I do strongly agree that Microsoft will inevitably bungle Softimage, as
they manage to do with everything they touch, but in their
'democratization' drive, they've forgotten that lowest-common-denominator
means, by definition, not the best.

No offense intended, and I really don't mean to get into a big argument
here (but hey, it's the net, it HAS to be blown out of proportion) but it
seems like a lot of the people who suggest that LW or MAX or Imagine (or
Sculpt V1, for that matter) are competitors for Alias, Softimage, Prisms
and the like, have never used the highend software they attack. Likewise,
Microsoft tries to convince people that somehow Windows NT (while
certainly their only OS that is actually reliable, to a point) is a
replacement for UNIX on an SGI. Once again, you can't compare the two. i
have to administer both an NT network and a UNIX network, and hands down,
the UNIX one is more flexible, more robust and generally more suited to a
professional, day to day environment than Windows NT (3.51, in case
anyone cares). Now, what I'm _NOT_ saying is that NT is useless, or you
can't run a professional system with it. Obviously, you can, especially
in small (3-6 machine) houses. Ever tried to programme a batchrender
script on a Windows box... wait, no software on Windows supports that...
unless you write a plugin. Yeah yeah, you can use screamernet... as long
as you're only using Lightwave. But i want to render, composite on live
video and record to an uncompressed Accom recorder, all in one night on
20 machines... Windows NT? Sorry Chuck, can't help ya!

Sigh. I do ramble on. This should make me many new enemies, mostly ones
that want to believe that they've outwitted evil old SGI (who, yes, are
evil in some ways) and now have ILM on their desktops.

By the way, I think I completely drifted off your original point there,
Mr. Stranahan, and I didn't at all mean this as some deranged attack on
you or your opinions. Of course, should you feel it is, I encourage a
rebuttal.


Peace
Peter Bowmar
[e-mail]
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William Teegarden wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]> B Hayes <[e-mail]>
> writes:
> >
> >Meme-X wrote:
> >>
> >> B Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >> >The latter is correct. This will seem a little round-a-bout but
> here'goes... 1.) Go to modeler load an object, any object. go to the
> >> >TOOLS/CUSTOM macro pulldown. Select PowerTexture. This will alow
> you to load a *.BMP image file (and ONLY a a *.BMP image file). Then
> you use
> >> >the PowerTexture Plugin to visualy place position/orientation/size
> the texture. Save the File.  2.) Go back to layout and load your
> object, go
> >> >to the surfaces panel and under shader select the file you saved
> for PT. It's not what I would have come up with for a texture placement
> >> >plugin... But it works.
> >>
> >>   Kind of wacky that NewTek would advertise this as a feature in
> their
> >> new ads.
> >>
> >>   Kreg Branden
> >>   -  Meme-X  -
> >
> >Yeah.., Well... But it works... (pained look on my face) :\ Say hello
> to Dawn if you see her, I still don't have here E-Address.
> >
> >Brad Hayes
> >http://pacificnet.net/~bjhayes
>
> Brad, you should set your margins in a bit closer together.  It's often
> difficult to read your posts.
>
> GT


Thanks: I see what you mean. I'm usig Netscape 2.x Any Ideas on where
to set it up at? I' can't seem to find any thing under News/Mail
Prefs.
Althought I did Just find the Sig file thing I had been looking for

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I haven't been able to get PowerTexture to work b/c I an on Windows 95,
however  I am wondering if the fact that this shader is called UVshader
means that it is possible to do "intrinsic mapping" in lightwave. We have
Alias 3d Paint, for example, which will let you paint onto a model. We use
it exclusively right now on Alias wire files, but I wonder if I could
paint on lightwave models and bring the textures created in 3d paint into
lightwave. What is required, bascially, is the ability to map a bitmap,
not using planar or cylindrical or spherical mapping but by mapping to uv
coordinates on the objects surface. Is this currently suppored or does
anyone know a way to use 3d painting programs in conjunction with
lightwave? (Amazon Paint would be another contender). If its not currently
possible, I think it would be  a good feature to add to the wish list.
-H
-H

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Subject: sequential DXF
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Is it possible to animate the shape of an object in layout using an
effector,bones, etc., and then export sequential dxf files for that object
in case , say I wanted to render in another package that could import
sequential dxf?

Thanks

-H
-H

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Subject: Re: 166 mhz Benchmarks please
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 16:25:57 -0400
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Joe Perez wrote:
>
> I'm considering buying an intel based machine to do LightWave,
> Photoshop, etc, and was curious: How fast are the 166's compared to
> the Amiga 040 accelerators? I currently have a 28 mhz Warp Engine in
> my 4000. Thanks for any info.
>
> Joe Perez


Having owned a 4000 with 28mhz warp engine I did a test with the Amiga
and one of the 133 mhz Pentiums at work. The 133 was 6 times faster than
the Amiga. I'm not sure how much faster the 166 is but it is probably not
more than 50-75% faster so you can get an idea of how much you gain over
an Amiga.

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On 5/17/96 5:19PM, in message <[e-mail]>, david goerndt
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Joe Monahan wrote:
> >
> > In article <4n8b9k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
> > > All Software has it's limits. Even ILM and Pixar, with access to the best
> > > modeling software around, Alias, use clay models for most of their movies.
> > > Casper, Toy Story, B5, and many more used DIGITIZED models.
> >
> > Could you site your source for this info? Thanks...
> >
> > Joe
>
> Check out Cinefex , a magazine devoted to effects done for films, with a
> lot of space devoted to CGI and how it is done.  Most of the large
> effects houses use sculpted and digitised models, which are then tweaked
> further in some modeling software.


Not most, maybe two or three.  I have been in the business out here for nearly
four years and have never worked at a place that regularly digitizes models.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (RazorKiD79)
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Subject: PC Flyer? WHEN!?!?
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Someone please tell me when its going to be out! Please

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Subject: Re: Tools vs Talent
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On 5/17/96 6:39PM, in message <[e-mail]>, david goerndt
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I've been reading the LW vs Alias thread as well as others with the theme
> mine is bigger or better than yours and I thought I would post a thought
> or two. I'm the Art director at a small 3D animation company that uses
> Lightwave, which we've made some money with. The problem I see with
> Lightwave as well as Alias or SoftImage or any other 3D package is not
> the software but the person using it. I have over 30 years experience
> doing "Art" professionally and I'm still learning not to accept
> half-assed output from myself let alone anyone else. We get demo tapes
> all the time from people who claim to be "animation masters" with LW or
> anything else including Alias and SI that should be embarrased to show
> these tapes let alone claim to be a master at it.
>   What it takes to be a good artist with any tool is a willingness to use
> what ever it takes to produce the work. Because LW is relatively
> inexpensive a lot of "hobbyists" use the package to produce ho-hum work.
> Some however, produce incredible work because they are willing to push
> the software and themselves to a new level. What these individuals have
> is experience in other creative fields that are necessary for anyone to
> be a good 3D animator. Alias and SoftImage are too expensive for a casual
> hobbyist, unless daddy has oil wells in the backyard, to seriously
> consider buying. It seems that most of the Alias SoftImage people I meet
> are students who have access to the software provided by the school, so
> when they graduate that is all they know. To really learn a package you
> must use it in a real world situation, to meet a deadline or other
> challenge (not the one given here) but when real money is on the line.
>   The only advice I would give anyone wanting to work a a 3D animator is
> to be very self critical of the work you produce, not in awe of a
> ray-traced scene that has 200,000 polys and took a week to renderrand mom
> and all your friends think is just great, but that the lighting or
> texturing aren't the best.
> I would hire someone with little or no computer experience if they had a
> proven track record or visible artistic ability than someone who has
> years of computer skills but no talent.So much for this rant, adios!


The threads, as far as I'm concerned, are based on the question that if the
talent is there, which software will let you explore that talent best without
breaking the bank.  Any artist can use just about any tool, but there are still
tools they'd _rather_ work with.
--
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On 5/18/96 5:01AM, in message <4nke6u$[e-mail]>, Stranahan
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> The Microsoft story doesn't suprise me - it's part of a pattern I'm seeing
> that spells real trouble for SoftImage. Here's the scenario I'm seeing
> develop - SoftImage has spent most of their time on the port to NT. It
> hasn't devloped new features, and it's begun to lose its place as a
> high-end SGI product - Alias seems to be the clear high-end SGI choice,
> especially with Maya coming out. In addition, they are priced too damn
> high on the PC to make a huge dent. So.....SoftImage loses SGI seats,
> high-end cache, and lags behind LW and Max on the PC.
>
> Notice that people have been violently discussing LW vs Max or Alias - but
> not SoftImage....I think there's a reason. I do not think MicroSoft has a
> clue in this area, either. They haven't proven to me they can sell a
> successful artist's tool.
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> Lee Stranahan
>
> "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
> for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
> Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm
>
> Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


Lee, are you aware of SoftImage 3.5?  Just as it took some time for the LW4.0,
but much less time for 5.0 because the port was done, so it is that now that
the port for SI is done they can get on to adding new features and enhancements.
--
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On 5/18/96 3:33AM, in message
<[e-mail]>, Joe Monahan
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
> I think much of twister was probably
> > proprietary for particles.
> > Jeff
> > --
> > Student Programmer 3(change is for somebody who was confused)
> > Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
> > Emerging Technology Studio
>
> What makes you think that, Jeff? In your experience would Alias just not
> be able to produce the sort of particles you saw in Twister? Why or why
> not?
>
> In your experience, what is it about Alias particles that would make it
> unlikely they were used for Twister?
>
> Joe


Joe, look at the credits for the movie.  They had programmers for the twister
effects.  Sorry to burst your bubble.  You just don't know how things work in
effects houses and magazines and "making of" TV shows just don't give the real
picture.  It's not a good idea to argue with the people who actually WORK at
these facilities.  After all, I don't go around insisting that you have the
head of a cat in your refrigerator since I've never been to your house, do I?
--
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On 5/16/96 9:46AM, in message <4nfm55$[e-mail]>, Gordon
D.B. Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> : On 5/11/96 1:07AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Gordon Cameron
> : <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> : > > A dual processor Pentium Pro (which is available and a good deal) IS
> faster
> : > > than almost any SGI workstation.
> : >
> : > Perhaps true in raw processor performance - but it really depends what
> you
> : > are
> : > doing. SGI are, contrary to popular opinion, the kings of medium-scale
> SMP
> : > (symmetric multi-processing), and, on top of this, they do many things
> very
> : > very well - e.g. D1 realtime video boards *today* (NOBODY has this on NT
> : > shipping yet),
>
> : I believe Intergraph does.
>
> Check your facts - I said today and shipping.  If you can point
> something out that is available now by IG - who have some excellent
> graphics cards btw - I would (honestly) be very interested.
>

Intergraph came and demoed a machine for us and I believe it could do
uncompressed D1, but I didn't get to stay and ask questions.  Give them a call
though.

> : >  good realtime texture mapping with large scenes where all
> : > textures are not resident in texmem, remarkable memory bandwidth
>
> : The Alpha chip communicates with RAM at 256 bits.
>
> As posted by someone, this is not true either.  Incidentally - I have
> both an Indy *and* an AlphaServer400 on my desk, and I use both
> extensively.  My original point was that they each perform
> `differently' under different conditions - for raw compute the Alpha
> is faster.  For other typical use whilst developing, the Indy performs
> better multi-tasking than my Alpha.
>

I checked again on this 256 vs. 128 bit thing and I was right.  There are
machines that interleave the 128 bits to become 256 bits.  I have no idea
exactly what this means, as this is not my field, but that's what I was told by
a BIGGER Alpha company.




>
> : >
> : > > SGI  _CAN'T_ produce machines that are even remotely faster than what's
> : > > available in the PC world.  They haven't for quite a long time now.
> : >
> : > This is plain not true... They own MIPS, whose R5000s, for example,
> perform
> : > not badly at all.
> : >
> : "Not badly at all" is hardly a good thing considering it hasn't been
> released
> : yet and that DEC has faster chips waiting in the wings too.
>
> OK - at the high end, SGI produce machines today that surpass anything
> in the PC world (with the exception of a few sites who are doing
> massive distributed computing with high speed networks).  On the
> desktop, in the low-to-mid range, their raw processor specs are not
> really that competitive.  But - again, it's not all about raw
> processor speed.
>
> The R5000 does exist as a chip, which was what I was saying - as you say,
> I don't believe they have a currently shipping w/station.
>
>   =G/
>
>
> : --
> :                       -=Fred=-
>
>
> --
> ~ Gordon Cameron    / software development  / [e-mail] ~
>  ~ Channels, Viewing, Peformance Animation /  Phone: [phone] x3445 ~
>   ~ SOFTIMAGE Inc, Montreal, Quebec       /   Fax  : [phone]      ~
>    ~ Editor, SIGGRAPH Computer Graphics  /  [e-mail] ~
>     ~  `Languages, like sandwiches - in one ear, and out the other'    ~


SGI doesn't have anything--whether shipping or just about to be shipping that
comes close to the speed of an Alpha, let alone the speed of the
soon-to-be-shipping Alphas.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (Johan Otterstrom)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: [AMIGA] Changing screen mode of Layout
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Steve Koren wrote:

>> Somehow MacroSystem has fixed this problem on the DraCo, the layout
>> and modeler are extremely responsive!!!

>I wonder if it is perhaps because the Draco has a higher bandwidth to
>the graphics card?

The graphicscard on DraCo is actually slower than both Cybervision and Piccolo
SD-64, but LightWae runs faster than in native mode on the Amiga.

  I may be wrong here, but I remember that the Draco
>doesn't have its gfx card on the Z-III bus.  Instead it has some sort of
>faster proprietary bus, so if the responsiveness problems of Layout are
>due to Z-III bus speeds, it would run a lot faster on the Draco.

>(That's not to say Layout need be slow on the Amiga.  Plenty of other
>modelers are blazingly fast, such as Vertex, etc, running on the same
>hardware.  Even Modeler is faster than Layout by a good margin.  You can
>write it in a more optimal way I think.  I've seen a LW5 feature that
>says "improved refresh speed", so perhaps its coming in 5.0).

I hope this is true.




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Lee, are you aware of SoftImage 3.5?  Just as it took some time for the
LW4.0,
but much less time for 5.0 because the port was done, so it is that now
that
the port for SI is done they can get on to adding new features and
enhancements.
--------------------------------------------

I'm pretty darn aware of SoftImage stuff - but it's the momentum of a
product I'm talking about.


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
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From: [e-mail] (Jeroen Van Velsen)
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Hi all you Lightwavers out there,

I've (allmost) sold off my Amiga system and I'm going to get a:

Pentium Pro 200 (Intel ATX Aurora mainbord)
32mb RAM (Atleast)
2.1gig EIDE harddisk
Soundblaster AWE 32
Matrox Millenium 4mb WRAM

Does anyone recomend anything? (Good or bad?)
(I'm allready planning to run WNT & W95)

I was wondering how well the Matrox works with the new LW 5.0.
I take it the OpenGL stuff works?

Is LW 5.0 any faster then 4.0 C/D?

I'm also planning to get into video (Broadcast quality) So how
are the (used) PAR and Perception compared? Also the prices!
Will I'll be able to use the Sounblaster for sound? And will I
be able to control the soundcard from the PAR/Perception software?

What's it going to cost me to order LW 5.0 (Intel) including the
shipping cost to the Netherlands? (Holland)

Any help/info is welcome. Thanks in advance...

Greetings,

Jeroen van Velsen (NETMAIL: 14:101/101.8)
                  (EMAIL: [e-mail])
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From: (Steve)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Unofficial Hack for Non-US PC running Lightwave Modeler V5.0

In order to force Lightwave Modeler V5.0 to work with your PC without
changing your country settings in the control panel, you need to copy
the MOD_ERR.ENU file (in the NEWTEK\PROGRAMS\ directory) to
MOD_ERR.xxx (where xxx is the extension for your country, see below)

Country  Code  Extension
-------- ----- ---------
German   04 07 .DEU
American 04 09 .ENU  (default)
English  08 09 .ENG
French   04 0C .FRA
Italian  04 10 .ITA
Japanese 04 11 .JPN
Russian  04 19 .RUS
Swedish  04 1D .SVE

Now using a hex editor, open the MOD_ERR.xxx file and change the code
04 09 (at offset 0000003E from the begining of the file, or offset
013E if using Dos/Debug) to the code for your country.

That'll get you going, but you will only get American English text.
Still at least you don't have to mess up your control panel settings.

If you get stuck, just follow up this message and I'll modify one and
post it up for you.


Good Luck

Steve

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From: [e-mail] (Howard ST)
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Subject: EPS and DXF Import
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Sorry for another simple question, but I have not been able to figure out
how to import EPS or DXF files into Modeler. I have seen the
Translator3d-Options plugin which lets me choose between Wavefront, DXF
and 3d Studios, but doesn't bring up a file requestor or anything to
actually allow me to *import* those file types... And what about EPS,
surely I can import an EPS curve into lightwave, right? but I can't find
any info in any of the manuals on this subject.

Any help appreciated! Thanks

-H
-H

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: In defense of separate Modeler/Layout
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In article <4nkk2q$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Michael C. Ling) writes:
>From: [e-mail](Michael C. Ling)
>Subject: Re: In defense of separate Modeler/Layout
>Date: 18 May 1996 13:41:46 GMT

>After using metanurbs in modeler, I want it in Layout.  Aside from that,
>the only modeler stuff I'd think would be nice in Layout would be something
>to generate primitive objects. It seems a like overkill to load up modeler
>to make a flat plane for a floor, or a cube for room interiors, or a sphere
>for some effect, or to change or add a texture name, etc. This would
>probably of use to people low on memory who'd want to avoid loading up
>modeler while layout is up.
>
>--
>M C L -

Well, you can change a surface name in Layout.  Also, I keep a number of
primitive objects around that have the default surface.  I load them, surface
them, rename the surface and then save to a different location with a
different name.  Can't add a texture from Layout though.  I don't do it to
save memory, it is just faster that's all.





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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Null Modem?  I have your Answer!!!
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In article <4nk6je$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: Null Modem?  I have your Answer!!!
>Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 12:51:43 GMT

>[e-mail] (GJaby10669) wrote:

>>I'm trying to transfer files between my A2000 and my PC via Null Modem.
>>Can someone tell me what software I can use for the A2000 and PC to
>>Do this? I have LapLink 7.0 can i use that on my PC and have another
>>software on Amiga? I want to transfer files at High Speed, I tryed a PD
>>software
>>before, and It took forever to transfer files. If anyone could help it
>>would be great!
>Tried to email you, mail came back!!

>I use Linkit! It has a screen so that you can see on both computers
>your files/drives from each computer. You can transfer to of from any
>file to any file. Up to 115200 transfer rate. With it you get a PC
>version and a amiga version for each computer. Downside: sometime this
>software doesn't work good and it freezes up. Most times it works fine
>though. If you are interested in more info email me.
>                                              John

Just use a standard communications program on each machine.  I used Ncomm on
the Amiga and Procomm Plus on the PC.  I also was able to transfer at
115,000 kbs.  I used the Zmodem protocol because it will automatically
transfer the file name and because it can pick up from where it left off
if a transfer goofs up.  Also, you will probably get faster transfers if you
use DOS rather than Win 3.x.  I can't say about Win95 or WinNT.

BTW - archive your files using lharc, lz or lha.  That way you save half the
time.  There are lha files for the PC.  There is also an lha program that
will let you maintain long file names under Win95 and WinNT.  I keep some
of these on my ftp site.  The Amiga multitasks well enough so that you can
create archives in the background while you transfer files.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 and NT 3.51
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Paige) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
>Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 and NT 3.51
>Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 04:51:27 GMT

>[e-mail] wrote:

>>Can someone tell me how i use lightwave on a alpha with NT 3.51. I
>>have LW 4.0 c the officel software with dongle. It works on win95 what
>>do i need to install LW on a DEC alpha. There is a sentinel driver for
>>ALPHA machines. Only I can't run the setup. Please send me the working
>>files to run LW?

>You need the Alpha version of Lightwave 3D.

>Dave Paige
>Alfheim Imaging
>[e-mail]

Or perhaps FX32 from DEC may make it possible to run Intel LW on the Alpha.
Of course there will be a performance penalty as compared to native code.


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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LightWave notes from E3
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>Was it an underwater/space game?

>GT

It's an underwater "ride on a rail", which in game speak means you control
firing but for most of the time are moved on a preprogrammed path through
the level, which is much like Fury.  Based on the game play, where you
blast enemy sub-things that fly around and fire back, the setting itself
is rather irrelevant, but since it's underwater you see other submarines
and similar themes in the graphics.
--Brian
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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW NT plugin for polgon reducing/simplifier?
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>Does anyone know if there's a plugin available for Lightwave 4.0 NT
>which can reduce the number of polygons in an object, so as to produce
>a much simplified object for insertion into a 3D game.

There are no plug-ins that I know of for that currently available for 4.0.

However there is one shipping with 5.0.
--Brian

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Diamond surface......
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Diamond surface......
>Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:59:51 GMT

>Any one have any hints on how to make a realistic diamond surface?????
>It's pretty tricky... well 4 me anyway. 8-)



>Ted.....

I'v never done it, but like most other textures, the main trick is to
determine what it is that makes a diamond look like a diamond.  Offhand, I
believe it is its high index of refraction which causes it to cast lots of
reflective "sparkles" and to have color in those sparkles. With 5.0, I would
be inclined to try something like parenting some lights to the diamond and
using them to cast some some "spectra" around using the new feature that lets
you use an image on a light like a "gel".  Raytracing will probably help the
effect because it can mimick the diamond's refractive qualities.  I hope its
not an animation of any significant length or that the diamond isn't too big.

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From: [e-mail] (Rick May)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? Pick one and shut up....
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->
->I don't think you can really say it has these great plug-ins--it doesn't
have
->ANY of these plug-ins!  A program has what it ships with, that's it.  It
only
->has all of the above if YOU have another $3000 or so, and  by that point you
->could have SoftImage.


Im not sure- but I dont think Softimage comes with particles for the base
price.  I believe you need Extreme for that (another lump of money.)  Could be
wrong tho...


Max requires much less to run than Softimage NT.  You will spend far less on
Max and these plugins than you will with Softimage after the hardware is
purchased.  Believe it or not- a Max system with no 3D hardware acceleration
runs faster (redraw) than Softimage with a big fancy 3D accelerator
(comparing to GLZ1 and GLZ2).  Dont ask me why- it just does..   Softimage
also requires more ram (ram is cheap right now tho..).

I dont think Softimage is that great of software.  Ill probably get ripped for
this, but after seeing and working with it somewhat, and comparing it to Max,
I just dont see that many advantages.  Even if you are doing character
animation (which I do, almost exclusively).

I havent come to a conclusion about Max yet.. I have been screwing around with
it for a couple of weeks now (off and on), but havent had a chance to get that
in-depth.  I got the software with the hope of it being a Prisms type program
(Max kind of adopted Prisms surface operation ideas), although it doesnt live
up to Prisms, it has some nice features and has potential.  For me, I could
care less if you have to pay more for plugins.  Id rather spend some money on
a plugin I need than just have to do without a feature.



rick



Rick May
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From: [e-mail] (Rick May)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
Date: Sat, 18 May 96 23:29:40 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] wrote:
->On 5/17/96 5:19PM, in message <[e-mail]>, david goerndt
-><[e-mail]> wrote:
->
->> Joe Monahan wrote:
->> >
->> > In article <4n8b9k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
->> > > All Software has it's limits. Even ILM and Pixar, with access to the
best
->> > > modeling software around, Alias, use clay models for most of their
movies.
->> > > Casper, Toy Story, B5, and many more used DIGITIZED models.
->> >
->> > Could you site your source for this info? Thanks...
->> >
->> > Joe
->>
->> Check out Cinefex , a magazine devoted to effects done for films, with a
->> lot of space devoted to CGI and how it is done.  Most of the large
->> effects houses use sculpted and digitised models, which are then tweaked
->> further in some modeling software.
->
->
->Not most, maybe two or three.  I have been in the business out here for
nearly
->four years and have never worked at a place that regularly digitizes models.


Despite what people are reading in Cinefex, I think digitizing models built of
clay is NOT the norm.


I know of a few facilities that do almost all of their creatures/characters in
clay first.  But a lot of these guys, like to build them in the computer.  I
think ILM's models are usually built in the computer and skip the clay stage.


The smaller facilities rarely use clay models.  It takes too long to build a
clay sculpture and then digitize it, and then clean it up.  Unless a facility
has a good sized crew and a lot of time, it will probably be done entirely in
the computer.


rick



Rick May
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TCM  (The Cookie Monster [Glenn Fisher])?:
> Maybe it's just a personal thing, but how come there don't seem to be any
> really good artists nowadays. Or at least in galleries and such. Half the
> crap the have is not art. Whatever anybody says about 'expressing their
> inner feelings'. IMHO art is skill in portraying realism. To strive for
> photorealism. There are branch-offs like cartoons, which strive for
> character, and also require skill, but not as much.

  Did you say that, Glenn?  The form I found it in suggested that you did,
but didn't put your name directly to it.

  Anyway, assuming you did; if I didn't know you then I'd say you were
trolling.  People call poetry art (though I call it crap) - how do you work
photorealism into that?


  PS.  There's an Elvis impersonator on TV right now..  [to the TV] GET A
LIFE!!  I think I'll add that to the list of qualities in my dream-flyspray
- must work on small children _and_ Elvis impersonators.

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Ben Cannon wrote:
>
> Like, DUHH guys!!!
>
> The best animators, artists, etc will have BOTH 3DS AND
> Lightwave!! (and Softimage, and PowerAnimator on a SGI :)
> personally, I model in 3DS and render in LW allot.

Don't forget Softimage....


George.

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In article <4nm0kv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Simon Hosie) writes:
> TCM  (The Cookie Monster [Glenn Fisher])?:
>> Maybe it's just a personal thing, but how come there don't seem to be any
>> really good artists nowadays. Or at least in galleries and such. Half the
>> crap the have is not art. Whatever anybody says about 'expressing their
>> inner feelings'. IMHO art is skill in portraying realism. To strive for
>> photorealism. There are branch-offs like cartoons, which strive for
>> character, and also require skill, but not as much.
>
>   Did you say that, Glenn?  The form I found it in suggested that you did,
> but didn't put your name directly to it.

No I didn't say it, infact I must have missed this post because I dont recall
reading that comment before.

>   Anyway, assuming you did; if I didn't know you then I'd say you were
> trolling.  People call poetry art (though I call it crap) - how do you work
> photorealism into that?

Me??? Troll???  (Actually the only time I've trolled that I can remember was
when I was trying to figure out if my posts were getting through) :)
Well, for something to be art IMHO it requires talent (hense I could
concievably call poetry art, that ozymandias poem was kinda cool).

>   PS.  There's an Elvis impersonator on TV right now..  [to the TV] GET A
> LIFE!!  I think I'll add that to the list of qualities in my dream-flyspray
> - must work on small children _and_ Elvis impersonators.

:) Ever tried Mace?

--
The Cookie Monster (TCM)
 - Nobody ever went out of business because they underestimated the
   intelligence of the public.











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[e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson) wrote:


>What does GODZ stand for?

>God OI'm a Dickhead Zometimes?
>No - can't be - you're a dickhead all the time.

ACTAULLY MORTAL, GODZ MEANS I AM ALL THE GODS IN PHYSICAL FORM, I AM
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>FOQ

>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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From: Paul Bruggeman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Studio Z and LW
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 20:55:47 -0700
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cjtsui wrote:
>
> Just played with it this afternoon....GOOD GOD WHAT A MACHINE!!!
>
> Unbelievably fast GL acceleration and it was a dream to model in!
>
> of course the machine I played with was 36,000.00 so that explains a
> lot, still, a better deal then an SGI (there are actually a lot of
> programs for Windows! :)
>
> later
> Josh Tsui

 There is a deal till the end of may for a I^2 solid-impact with
photoshop,composer lite,alias power animator 64Mram/2G disk 20"monitor
for 25K$ (other stuff too, i can't remember saw it at E3) I can dig
out the whole quote if you want.

 paul

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On 5/18/96 1:58PM, in message <4nldlh$[e-mail]>, Stranahan
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Lee, are you aware of SoftImage 3.5?  Just as it took some time for the
> LW4.0,
> but much less time for 5.0 because the port was done, so it is that now
> that
> the port for SI is done they can get on to adding new features and
> enhancements.
> --------------------------------------------
>
> I'm pretty darn aware of SoftImage stuff - but it's the momentum of a
> product I'm talking about.
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> Lee Stranahan
>
> "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
> for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
> Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm
>
> Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

I think it's pretty good momentum that the port was only released within the
last six months and there's a new version out already.
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> What makes you think that, Jeff? In your experience would Alias just not
> be able to produce the sort of particles you saw in Twister? Why or why
> not?
> In your experience, what is it about Alias particles that would make it
> unlikely they were used for Twister?

Well, the same reason they used propreitary hair programs in Jumanji.

A:It's is more flexible since they can code it for their exact needs.

B:ILM rarely used one piece of software for anything. From interviews with
them they still use a lot of proprietary tools along with their standard
juiced up Alias/Wavefront and Softimage tools.

C:The whole movie was almost dedicated to particle CG. I'm sure they used
Alias and Renderman for much of the other CG models(farm equipment etc.)
But I'm sure they would code an app dedicated to particle animation for
the tornados and stuff getting ripped up by the tornados. For the particles
in Jumaji they used Wavefront's Dynamation instead of Alias' built in
particles.

Not saying it couldn't be done in Alias, just saying it could be done easier
and faster in a custom app dedicated to doing particle tornados. From the looks
of it I think they even coded in some sort of collision detection for the particle
tornados and things which they "collided" into. With a custom app you can set
the amount of force and debris generated by gnawing through those barns, fields, and
houses. You could have a certain percentage be torn off during collision and have it
automatically generate vectors for what is sucked into the tornado. This is not in
Alias' particles. I'm not saying this is how it was done, but it does not look like
shrink wrap software did it.

Jeff
--
Student Programmer 3(change is for somebody who was confused)
Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
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On 18-May-96 16:03:28, RazorKiD79 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Someone please tell me when its going to be out! Please

  Best rumors are sometime in early 1997.  But a miracle could happen,
and it may be out sooner.  If you need the ability now, the Amiga
version is out and running fine.  A faster Amiga CPU won't affect Flyer
editing performance; other software will be affected.

  Play's Trinity system might be out by that time, and might have
similar abilities.  It is possible that some other company might enter
the fray with "studio in a box" type devices.


--
*-__________________________ | *Starfire* | _________________________-*
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> I was wondering how well the Matrox works with the new LW 5.0.
> I take it the OpenGL stuff works?

Jeroen:

WRONG!!!! The MGA mallinium board needs 8Megs to do OpenGl well Yes it will do it in 640x480 and even 800x600 but with limited colors. I think
it's 32768 colors. Now coming from an Amiga that may sound great but You will want to work in 16M colors at 1024x768. You will need 8Megs of
ram for the Matrox card. Then there are questions about it's ability to use Z-Buffers. It only supports 16-bit Z-Buffers. How severly this
impacts LightWave I'd don't know because I have nothing to compare it with right Now.

Brad HAyes
http://pacificnet.net/~bjhayes

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So the fellow that started this thread still hasn't gotten an artist to
work on his game with him out of all this, right?

Just checking.

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Subject: Re: LW NT plugin for polgon reducing/simplifier?
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 04:06:04 -0500
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VirtualBri wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know if there's a plugin available for Lightwave 4.0 NT
> >which can reduce the number of polygons in an object, so as to produce
> >a much simplified object for insertion into a 3D game.
>
> There are no plug-ins that I know of for that currently available for 4.0.
>
> However there is one shipping with 5.0.
> --Brian
>
> ========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
> == Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
> =============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============

The polygon reducer in LW 5.0 isn't going to be useful on objects that you plan on insert into a 3D game.  The
function reduces the number of poly and points by creating tons of >4 point polygons.  Although the object may
still look good rendered by Lightwaves' shader, every 3D engine videogame system that I know of requires an
object be composed of three or four point polys.

Pixel3D(Amiga) did a fairly good job - kinda hard to control.  Now called Polyform on the Intel PC, I think?
( I wish the makers of Polyform would make a version that works as a plug-in inside LW's Modeler)

I also seem to remember a polygon reducer plug-in for Autodesk's 3DStudio.  If I remember correctly, it was
good but only worked on objects made up of three-point polys.

Good Luck!

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Power_Texture
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 04:23:41 -0500
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Angelito So wrote:
>
> I guess you didn't read the readme file on the CD. It says Power Texture does
> NOT work with win 95 because of a bug in the implementation of W95 OpenGL. Oh
> well.... I know i was really upset about this too. :^(
>

What a downer! =(   That's weird because I get it to load up its interface and my object, it crashes when I
try to load a Bitmap.  Perhaps there's a bug in GL's memory usage.
Has anyone @Newtek said anything about developing a Windows95 "work-around" version of Power Texture?  The
Readme file is *very* brief on the matter.  I hope it's allready in the works.  That Fori guy is simply
brilliant.  PowerView and MetaNurbs rule!

Does you or anyone know when the new version of WindowsNT will be released by MicroSoft?  I guess its time to
make the jump! (again) - haven't even been on 95 that long.

dAVE

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From: William R Wooden Jr <[e-mail]>
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Does LW 5.0 accept ANY OpenGL compliant 3D accelerator, or is NewTek
pulling the same game Softimage is and claiming that only a few OpenGL
cards will work with the software?
--
| Bill Wooden |
| [e-mail] |
| [e-mail] |
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 ([e-mail]) writes:
> VirtualBri wrote:
>>
>> >Does anyone know if there's a plugin available for Lightwave 4.0 NT
>> >which can reduce the number of polygons in an object, so as to produce
>> >a much simplified object for insertion into a 3D game.
>>
Softimage has an amazing poly reduction tool, but that isn't LW is it...If
you are producing stuff for real-time, better to do separate versions or to
use the simple version to create the complex version using metaform.

Sai

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From: Steven Johansen <203.15.163.13>
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Subject: Re: Help/info wanted... (Please?)
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B Hayes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> I was wondering how well the Matrox works with the new LW 5.0.
>> I take it the OpenGL stuff works?
>
>Jeroen:
>
>WRONG!!!! The MGA mallinium board needs 8Megs to do OpenGl well Yes it will do it in 640x480 and even 800x600 but with limited colors. I think
>it's 32768 colors. Now coming from an Amiga that may sound great but You will want to work in 16M colors at 1024x768. You will need 8Megs of
>ram for the Matrox card. Then there are questions about it's ability to use Z-Buffers. It only supports 16-bit Z-Buffers. How severly this
>impacts LightWave I'd don't know because I have nothing to compare it with right Now.
>
>Brad HAyes
>http://pacificnet.net/~bjhayes

    Just out of interest,how fast is OpenGL on your system.
The millenium is quoted at 150,000 poly's per second does it
for example refresh a 15k object at 10 fps (not that I expect it to)
In what resolutions and at what colour depth.
    On my hopelessly inadequate machine, a 486DX4 100 with
a cirrus 5246(2mb) I get a refresh on a 5k object in about a second
in modeller,layout seems a bit slower. 800*600*16k


    Steven

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 01:01:12 -0700
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By the way, the web page has moved to:

http://www.netzone.com/~jmonahan/home.html

If any one would like to add their images to the site just imitate the
simple geometry and e-mail me a jpeg. Let me know what app it was done in,
etc. No stuff other than what you personally produced.

This might be worthwhile after all!

Joe Monahan


In article <4ni09a$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> true. i'd love to here some input from out buddy's from the big animation
> houses on the group here give tips to inexperienced users.
> rather see contructive use made out of the newsgroups than seeing space
wasted
> on ego based flames.
> recommend the tools that make your life easier.

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LightWave notes from E3
Date: 19 May 1996 08:39:43 -0400
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I think it's pretty good momentum that the port was only released within
the last six months and there's a new version out already.
-------------------------------------

Not given 1) they have a large staff, and 2) they were bought by Microsoft
and have lots of $$. Unlike Allen and Stuart, they could have a porting
team AND a upgrade team.



_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

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From: Steven Johansen <203.15.163.13>
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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[e-mail] (Dann M. Stubbs) wrote:

stuff deleted...

>Our www page is pretty good (in my opinion of course)

     Dann, your web site is about on par with most of
    the talentless hobbiest's pages out there.

>, if anyone is
>interested in seeing some examples of our work created with Alias. (yes
>the spaceships are very old (but net surfers tend to like them)- but
>consider I did that animation as a test after using Alias for only 3 weeks
>- having never seen or used it before. I see people bragging about the 6
>years they have used a program - but they still are creating primitives on
>tile floors. Talent is what matters.
>

     Your using alias!!! I hope you mean sketch and not poweranimator.

>I've personally visited over 2000 other www sites of artists from large

    And apparently have learned nothing

>companies and small, and using all types of software. Sad to report that
>many are just over-hyped hobbyists running off at the mouth, because they
>usually are the ones yelling the loudest yet have the least talent to back
>it up.

     Pot Kettle Black.

>
>I think that is where the arguments come in. Most talented people are too
>busy creating then to waste hours fighting a war based on opinion. To
>respond to an earlier post, 90% of alias users are pros and 90% of LW
>users are hobbyists. (my estimate - averaging the number of packages
>sold/artists using them and traffic on the respective newsgroups - which I
>read all of - time permitting)
>
>This is where the noise ratio comes in. On the Alias list only 10% will
>create/argue such a stupid point at this one, where here it appears the
>10% of LW users professionally are busy *working* leaving the other 90%
>free time to participate in endless debates such as these.
>

      Check out the comp.graphics.rendering.raytracing newsgroup
about 99% of them are hobbiest's using POV and most of the images
on their homepages are superior to yours.

>(Not to say that the people contributing to this endless thread are
>hobbyists - just that most arguments like these are started by them)

     And "Pro's" like you are the ones that perpetuate them.

> The
>world is not flat and there is not one best-at-everything 3D program.
>
>So in closing if anybody knows of anyone who is in need of professional
>talent using the best tool to get the job done - please send them our >way.

    I'll send them via your web page, don't expect any calls.
The level of pomposity you display is disproportionate to the
level of skill you display.

       Steven

 p.s if in case you feel a need to reply to this
          - yes I am an amateur
          - & no I don't have a webpage for comparison

>
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Monahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Bill Gates -Was "MAX or LightWave? How about some MAX here"-
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 01:08:05 -0700
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In article <4n7o0i$[e-mail]>, Steph Greenberg
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Bryant Reif <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : Stranahan wrote:
> : >
> : > ----------------------------------------
> : > Exactly why MS's monopoly in OS's will continue.  It is highly unlikely
> : > that a competing product could succeed.
> : > ---------------------------------------
> : >
> : > Steph hit the correct issue - the difference between the nature of a
> : > goverment enforced monopoly and a 'monopoly' that occurs because people
>
> : Steph missunderstood my point.  I didn't mean to say that MS enjoy's the
> : legal definition of a monopoly, but a "monopoly" in which most rational PC
> : owners have little choice but to buy their OS's.  I also never equated MS's
> : "monopoly" with bad.
>
> "Rational" PC owners go straight for Windows, or Windows NT. That's where
> the software is. Only ex-Unix gurus and ex-Amiga users and ex-Next users
> have an obsession with alternative OSes, which is why they haven't succeeded.

Last I heard 65% of multimedia and 85% of print graphics production work
was done on a Macintosh. Thats at least sorta successful....


> The reason MS has a de-facto monopoly is because people want to go with
> something that is widespread and common.

Like WonderBread?

> Going with the crowd on an OS is
> what makes people comfortable with all these different brands and
> configurations of computers, and the pre-loaded OS makes them feel that
> they can just plug in the computer and start it up.

Which has really not been true since Micro$oft first started that lie.
I have alot of students who continually ask me what drivers/boards and
stuff they need to do this and that. Regretfully I always have to respond
- "I don't know, I use a Mac. I don't have those problems."

>
> What you want is for the machine to come with *NO* operating system, so
> the consumer could choose their own OS. I can only say, that wouldn't
> have gone over too well with my wife, my parents or my sister, who own 4
> out of the 5 computers in my family (spread over a large distance, so I
> wouldn't be able to personally help if they needed it).
>
> This thinking reminds me of a friend who wants to eliminate the standard
> ballot for president, and replace it with an ordinal ballot, 3
> candidates, put a 1,2 or 3 by their name in order of preference. This
> way, Ross Perot could have won the '92 election.
>
>
> : Bryant Reif
> : mailto:[e-mail]
> : http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant
>
> --
>
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From: [e-mail] (RazorKiD04)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: PC Flyer? WHEN!?!?
Date: 19 May 1996 09:25:13 -0400
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Thanx for the info. So if a get the Cheapest A4000, or A4000T, the flyer
won't slowdown when i load big project, or Big effects?

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From: [e-mail] (Derek Lang)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: EPS and DXF Import
Date: 19 May 1996 11:12:52 -0400
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In article <4nlo63$[e-mail]>,
Howard ST <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Sorry for another simple question, but I have not been able to figure out
>how to import EPS or DXF files into Modeler. I have seen the

Put yourself in the Layout of Lightwave select LOAD OBJECT.  Lightwave
will detect what kind of object you are loading.

Hope this helps.

Derek<<<<<



--
Derek Lang        |  "I want him in the games until he dies playing." - MCP
Toronto, Ontario  |--------------------------------------------------------
Canada            |  WebPage-O-Fun -->  http://www.io.org/~dlang

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Subject: surface question.
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Greetings,

I'm using LW3.1 on Amiga4000. Recently I scanned some pictures to be
used as bkg images...I've had no problems with that...what I did, I
just saved the picture in the images file while scanning.
 I did the same for surfaces but after I scanned in the picture and
saved it in Surfaecs file, I went to LW to load it...it says "Bad file
name" :(
what or how should I name the image that I'm scanning in surfaces
file?

thank you very much for your kind help in advance.


-Farzad
http://www.umsl.edu/studentlife/umsltv

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Frary)
Newsgroups: alt.3d,alt.3d.misc,alt.3d.studio,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
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 Hi my name is Kurt Frary....

If you or your company wants a Raytraced image/logo  for your web page
for example for free.

 Email me at

 [e-mail]

 with details of the basic outline that you want, you can be as
specific as you like.

 I will then create the image and mail it to you all I ask is that I
get credited for it and my Email address appears there for other
people to see.




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> If I am right, then wouldn't the following combination of anti-piracy methods be better :-
> * CD must be in drive
> * Serial number protection (either encoded on CD, or entered by user during installation)
> * Checking for duplicate serial numbers on the network

I think Kenetix has a nice method for preventing pirating with MAX. You have the hardware
lock. And when you first get the software and install it it goes into trial mode which lasts
30 days. The software will disable itself unless you call Kenetix and register over the phone
with them. They then give you another authorization code and that finishes unlocking the
software. I can still see how this could be pirated, but it seems to make it harder to pirates
to use non-beta copies.

Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW NT plugin for polgon reducing/simplifier?
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>The polygon reducer in LW 5.0 isn't going to be useful on
>objects that you plan on insert into a 3D  game.  The function
>reduces the number of poly and points by creating tons of >4
>point polygons.

Ooops, you're right.  I hadn't played with it enough until reading
this thread.  Well, there's an opportunity for a plug-in.
--Brian
========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
== Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
=============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============

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> I haven't been able to get PowerTexture to work b/c I an on Windows 95,
> however  I am wondering if the fact that this shader is called UVshader
> means that it is possible to do "intrinsic mapping" in lightwave. We have
> Alias 3d Paint, for example, which will let you paint onto a model. We use
> it exclusively right now on Alias wire files, but I wonder if I could
> paint on lightwave models and bring the textures created in 3d paint into
> lightwave. What is required, bascially, is the ability to map a bitmap,
> not using planar or cylindrical or spherical mapping but by mapping to uv
> coordinates on the objects surface. Is this currently suppored or does
> anyone know a way to use 3d painting programs in conjunction with
> lightwave? (Amazon Paint would be another contender). If its not currently
> possible, I think it would be  a good feature to add to the wish list.

There is a program called Meshpaint which will let you paint directly onto
you Lightwave wireframes. It does a pretty good job, and you can then
touch it up in Photoshop before applying it as a texture to your model.

Jeff

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In <4nl6qf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Howard ST)
writes:
>
>I haven't been able to get PowerTexture to work b/c I an on Windows
95,
>however  I am wondering if the fact that this shader is called
UVshader
>means that it is possible to do "intrinsic mapping" in lightwave. We
have
>Alias 3d Paint, for example, which will let you paint onto a model. We
use
>it exclusively right now on Alias wire files, but I wonder if I could
>paint on lightwave models and bring the textures created in 3d paint
into
>lightwave. What is required, bascially, is the ability to map a
bitmap,
>not using planar or cylindrical or spherical mapping but by mapping to
uv
>coordinates on the objects surface. Is this currently suppored or does
>anyone know a way to use 3d painting programs in conjunction with
>lightwave? (Amazon Paint would be another contender). If its not
currently
>possible, I think it would be  a good feature to add to the wish list.
>-H
>-H


I've used the Powerview plugin, and as I remember, (could be wrong) it
does not support UV mapping.  It's still a planar or cylndrical mapping
tool, the difference being you can interactivley move the texture
around and scale it.  It does not appear to follow the geometry
however.

GT


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> Max requires much less to run than Softimage NT.  You will spend far less on
> Max and these plugins than you will with Softimage after the hardware is
> purchased.  Believe it or not- a Max system with no 3D hardware acceleration
> runs faster (redraw) than Softimage with a big fancy 3D accelerator
> (comparing to GLZ1 and GLZ2).  Dont ask me why- it just does..   Softimage
> also requires more ram (ram is cheap right now tho..).
>

Right on that point -- Softimage is a RAM pig.  MAX will
run much faster on a minimally configured machine.

> I dont think Softimage is that great of software.  Ill probably get ripped for
> this, but after seeing and working with it somewhat, and comparing it to Max,
> I just dont see that many advantages.  Even if you are doing character
> animation (which I do, almost exclusively).
>

Softimage still has a big edge on features -- particularly
things like shape animation.  I don't know if you've tried
to do facial animation in Max, but it's still not there.
On the other hand,  Max is certainly easier to use and
with a few plug-ins can make up the feature gap rather
quickly. By Siggraph, they should be neck and neck.


George.

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In <4nlqjl$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
writes:
>
>>Was it an underwater/space game?
>
>>GT
>
>It's an underwater "ride on a rail", which in game speak means you
control
>firing but for most of the time are moved on a preprogrammed path
through
>the level, which is much like Fury.  Based on the game play, where you
>blast enemy sub-things that fly around and fire back, the setting
itself
>is rather irrelevant, but since it's underwater you see other
submarines
>and similar themes in the graphics.
>--Brian
>========   http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/   =======
>== Home of the LightWave 3D Internet Resource Lists  ==
>=============  So, why aren't you on it?  =============


How did it look?  I know the guys who did the stuff, I worked with them
at Amblin, but I haven't seen it latley.  They've been working on it
for over a year now, and I hear it looks fantastic.  I did some
modeling for them on it last summer, but I'm out of the loop on it now.

GT


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I'm making a 7 minutes movie. The raw pictures (VHS-quality) takes about
3Gb and thats too much for me. The CMPEG program can only handle still
pictures not the AVI I generate from LW. The AVI is already made in
Premiere (MJPEG) but I just can't figure out how I can convert it to
MPEG. Can you help me?

Per Swantesson
Scandinavia

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Video Flyer System for sale
---------------------------
Amiga 4000 40/040 Warp Engine With 16 Megs 60ns RAM
---------------------------------------------------
Warp Engine SCSI II Centronics port on back
and SCSI II ribbon cable inside
Modified to hold the old Toaster 2000 Card

Commodore 1960 Monitor with sync-strainer
A4000 Keyboard
A3000 Mouse

120Meg IDE Seagate HD
1.2 Gig SCSI II Toshiba HD

Toaster 4000 card with Version 3.1 software

Video Flyer card w\octopus HD cable - I have from Version .9 to 4.1
software

Studio 16 w\V3.0 software (8 track non-linear CD quality audio - VERY
COOL)

External mini tower for Flyer Drives. Includes:
-----------------------------------------------
2 Quantum Atlas 2 Gig "Flyer HQ5 Approved" HD's
1 Connor 1 Gig SCSI II Audio HD
1 Sanyo 2x SCSI CD Rom
DPS Personal TBC IV

Lightwave (Amiga) V3.5 & V4.0 Stand alone w\dongle, disks, and manuals

MASSIVE collection of nearly all of the very best Amiga software.
You name it I've probably got it.
-----------------------------------------------
I do not want to part this stuff out.
Make me an offer on the whole system.
I'm not that sure I really want to part with it - so don't make the
offer absurdly low.
I'm just doing so much more Animation than Video that I think this
might be the right move.

Thanks,

William C. Walker III
Amazing Sound & Vision
email - [e-mail]

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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
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Rick May <[e-mail]> wrote:
: I dont think Softimage is that great of software.  Ill probably get ripped for
: this, but after seeing and working with it somewhat, and comparing it to Max,
: I just dont see that many advantages.  Even if you are doing character
: animation (which I do, almost exclusively).

Softimage's IK is second only to Alias, (and only if you know how to take
advantage of what Alias has to offer). The way it handles IK, the
"Schematic" window (a block diagram window that can be set up to resemble
the character you are working on), the "onion skin" effect (no more
grease pencil marks to wipe off your screen!), vertex assignment (not as
good as Alias', but not as slow once you have it either); all are
superior to Max at this time, though I think a good programmer/TD could
possibly write a good plug-in to address its iniquities. I would rather
have a programmer doing things that no package comes with.

If I didn't have the money for SI (to buy the machine to support it), I
might start out with Max *and* LW, which would cover an awful lot of CGI
territory. You would have to work very hard when doing character
animation, and the results would have pathologies that are even harder to
address.

: up to Prisms, it has some nice features and has potential.  For me, I could
: care less if you have to pay more for plugins.  Id rather spend some money on
: a plugin I need than just have to do without a feature.

If the plug-in exists. It's certainly cheaper than hiring a programmer.
But Autodesk/Kinetix and Newtek are going to have to address the problem
of plug-in piracy (which is unprotected by the dongle), or they won't
have plug-in developers anymore.

: Rick May
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Video Flyer System for sale
---------------------------
Amiga 4000 40/040 Warp Engine With 16 Megs 60ns RAM
---------------------------------------------------
Warp Engine SCSI II Centronics port on back
and SCSI II ribbon cable inside
Modified to hold the old Toaster 2000 Card

Commodore 1960 Monitor with sync-strainer
A4000 Keyboard
A3000 Mouse

120Meg IDE Seagate HD
1.2 Gig SCSI II Toshiba HD

Toaster 4000 card with Version 3.1 software

Video Flyer card w\octopus HD cable - I have from Version .9 to 4.1
software

Studio 16 w\V3.0 software (8 track non-linear CD quality audio - VERY
COOL)

External mini tower for Flyer Drives. Includes:
-----------------------------------------------
2 Quantum Atlas 2 Gig "Flyer HQ5 Approved" HD's
1 Connor 1 Gig SCSI II Audio HD
1 Sanyo 2x SCSI CD Rom
DPS Personal TBC IV

Lightwave (Amiga) V3.5 & V4.0 Stand alone w\dongle, disks, and manuals

MASSIVE collection of nearly all of the very best Amiga software.
You name it I've probably got it.
-----------------------------------------------
I do not want to part this stuff out.
Make me an offer on the whole system.
I'm not that sure I really want to part with it - so don't make the
offer absurdly low.
I'm just doing so much more Animation than Video that I think this
might be the right move.

Thanks,

William C. Walker III
Amazing Sound & Vision
email - [e-mail]

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Video Flyer System for sale
---------------------------
Amiga 4000 40/040 Warp Engine With 16 Megs 60ns RAM
---------------------------------------------------
Warp Engine SCSI II Centronics port on back
and SCSI II ribbon cable inside
Modified to hold the old Toaster 2000 Card

Commodore 1960 Monitor with sync-strainer
A4000 Keyboard
A3000 Mouse

120Meg IDE Seagate HD
1.2 Gig SCSI II Toshiba HD

Toaster 4000 card with Version 3.1 software

Video Flyer card w\octopus HD cable - I have from Version .9 to 4.1
software

Studio 16 w\V3.0 software (8 track non-linear CD quality audio - VERY
COOL)

External mini tower for Flyer Drives. Includes:
-----------------------------------------------
2 Quantum Atlas 2 Gig "Flyer HQ5 Approved" HD's
1 Connor 1 Gig SCSI II Audio HD
1 Sanyo 2x SCSI CD Rom
DPS Personal TBC IV

Lightwave (Amiga) V3.5 & V4.0 Stand alone w\dongle, disks, and manuals

MASSIVE collection of nearly all of the very best Amiga software.
You name it I've probably got it.
-----------------------------------------------
I do not want to part this stuff out.
Make me an offer on the whole system.
I'm not that sure I really want to part with it - so don't make the
offer absurdly low.
I'm just doing so much more Animation than Video that I think this
might be the right move.

Thanks,

William C. Walker III
Amazing Sound & Vision
email - [e-mail]

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From: Wonka <[e-mail]>
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Subject: IFF conversion
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 13:42:12 -0600
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I'm looking for a shareware IFF reader (for the pc of course) so I can
convert IFF to other formats. I have a slew of paint programs and only
one can do it...(and it's mildly slow!)

Any ideas???



-------------------------------------------------------------
check out my page kids
http://kalypso.cybercom.net/~wonka

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Stranahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: I think it's pretty good momentum that the port was only released within
: the last six months and there's a new version out already.
: -------------------------------------

: Not given 1) they have a large staff, and 2) they were bought by Microsoft
: and have lots of $$. Unlike Allen and Stuart, they could have a porting
: team AND a upgrade team.

Who's fault is that? At one time I remember hearing Newtek had its own
plane, and they used to display Tim's (I believe) NSX at the booth to
show how successful they were. That money could have been used to expand
the staff. Allen and Stuart could be supervising other programmers, and
Newtek spreads its resources too thin trying to recapture or build a new
"Toaster" market. In that respect, Play Inc. has them beat in every respect.

Lightwave is their flagship product, and they've definately been shorting
it resource wise.

However, Softimage went through a similar period, developing a lot of
Digital Studio crap and shortchanging their 3D software. Only since
Microsoft bought them have they regained their priorities.

: Lee Stranahan
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>  Hi my name is Kurt Frary....
> If you or your company wants a Raytraced image/logo  for your web page
> for example for free.
>  Email me at
>  [e-mail]
>  with details of the basic outline that you want, you can be as
> specific as you like.
>  I will then create the image and mail it to you all I ask is that I
> get credited for it and my Email address appears there for other
> people to see.

You should really think about charging a little bit. This hurts businesses who
do this for a living. Hey it your hard work, why not get paid for it?

Jeff

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Stranahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: hasn't devloped new features, and it's begun to lose its place as a
: high-end SGI product - Alias seems to be the clear high-end SGI choice,
: especially with Maya coming out. In addition, they are priced too damn
: high on the PC to make a huge dent. So.....SoftImage loses SGI seats,
: high-end cache, and lags behind LW and Max on the PC.

: Notice that people have been violently discussing LW vs Max or Alias - but
: not SoftImage....I think there's a reason. I do not think MicroSoft has a
: clue in this area, either. They haven't proven to me they can sell a
: successful artist's tool.

If I were in my own business, I couldn't afford Alias, just as many
people on this list couldn't. I could make do with Softimage immediately,
which is where I learned the primary techniques that I now use in Alias.

Softimage *is* superior both to Max and Lightwave in alot of areas. But I
could certainly see starting with Lightwave, adding Max and adding
Softimage as my business grew. Or buying Softimage and using LW and/or
Max to compliment it. For example, one Softimage workstation is one
thing, two is expensive. So your second station may be LW based to do
flying stuff types of animation and effects, while using the SI station
for character work.

Also, SI brings more credibility to Win NT than LW or Max. There are
definately SGI folks like myself who look at the freedom you can get from
SGI and the *choice* of various price/performance options with NT. So
long as Alias kicks ass, I'll probably continue to use SGI, but if I were
independent, I'd be using SI/NT. If I were an existing SI facility, any
new machines I added would be NT based.

As you point out, SI and the machine it runs on can still be expensive. I
prefer working for someone who buys the machine and software, so I can
use my money to buy a house, new cars and a nice Harley.

I don't have the Harley yet. But of course I look like I do.

:  Lee Stranahan

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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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Subject: Re: Studio Z and LW
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Paul Bruggeman <[e-mail]> writes:

> There is a deal till the end of may for a I^2 solid-impact with
>photoshop,composer lite,alias power animator 64Mram/2G disk 20"monitor
>for 25K$ (other stuff too, i can't remember saw it at E3) I can dig
>out the whole quote if you want.

Does this machine have any graphics acceleration? (didn't think so)

Please put up the whole quote though, sounds interesting.
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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Joe Monahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: In article <4n7o0i$[e-mail]>, Steph Greenberg
: > Going with the crowd on an OS is
: > what makes people comfortable with all these different brands and
: > configurations of computers, and the pre-loaded OS makes them feel that
: > they can just plug in the computer and start it up.

: Which has really not been true since Micro$oft first started that lie.
: I have alot of students who continually ask me what drivers/boards and
: stuff they need to do this and that. Regretfully I always have to respond
: - "I don't know, I use a Mac. I don't have those problems."

The difference is, there are LOTS of choices in hardware that you have in
the PC world, which is what I LIKE about it. You have a Mac, so you don't
have the possibility of even setting your machine up with Open GL cards,
simply because the Mac doesn't support it yet. PCI was a good jump for
the Mac world, but now things aren't as simple as they used to be.

If you like using a machine that's easy to set up because your hardware
choices are limited, more power to you. I know people who have a hard
time getting all sorts of things to work correctly on their Power Mac.

It's easy to make a machine plug and play when the OS company also makes
the machines. All they have to do is limit your choices. If having the
easiest machine to use is your highest priority, instead of the most
powerful machine available, then that's your business. Most Mac users
still think one button on the mouse is adaquate, where I use all three
buttons on my SGI, and wish I could on the PC. I have to make do with two
buttons.

My way of handling the various hardware/software problems in the PC world
is to hire people who know how to do that stuff it takes to get it
working. I still don't spend anywhere near as much money as I would if I
bought a Mac of equal capability.

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> If the plug-in exists. It's certainly cheaper than hiring a programmer.
> But Autodesk/Kinetix and Newtek are going to have to address the problem
> of plug-in piracy (which is unprotected by the dongle), or they won't
> have plug-in developers anymore.

The best thing MAX has going for it with character animation is character studio.
It  will be expensive an will probably be dongled. Some of the expensive commercial
plug-ins for 3DS already have dongles. It is a real shame that companies have to do
this.

Jeff